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I don’t know how to handle this, help please

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MissAdventure Sat 19-Oct-19 22:09:09

Except the op isn't the grandma. smile

Gemini1789 Sat 19-Oct-19 22:06:08

I think you sound like a very good Grandma . It is not old fashioned at all to ask for good manners. ‘Isabel’ is obviously upset by the new family arrangements and will need time to adjust. All you can do is to continue to tell her gently what you need her to do. As you know children will grow to understand that different people have different standards.
I suppose the stripping off is attention seeking. Showing as little reaction as possible will take away the shock value from her. Pretend it isn’t happening . ( I know ! ) Pick up the discarded clothes with a bored expression and wait till she gets cold.
Seize every opportunity to reinforce her good behaviours. It may seem unnecessary to say for example ‘ you are walking nicely ‘ but she will appreciate your approval however small.
You could take your own children aside and ask them to help you show her their nice manners etc. at least the one who is the same age I mean. When she asks why Isabel is allowed to get away with no correction reply along the lines of ‘ we don’t think that’s right do we ? We behave nicely don’t we so the other children will want to play with us . Do you think Isabel is showing off ? So do I.
You are probably doing all this already. It is hard work but the rewards are great too.

Hetty58 Sat 19-Oct-19 22:03:29

Why is it a 'tricky' situation? You are talking about a very small child. Her parentage or time spent as a family member are just not relevant. It helps if children are treated equally, of course, so MIL should take charge and apply the same 'rules' to all.

Toys should always be shared. Who owns what shouldn't matter. Parents have different styles, some strict, some more relaxed. If they are consistent with their own children, that's all that matters.

MIL should be reminded to have photos of everyone (or nobody) on display - in the interests of fairness.

I think that your critical attitude is part of the problem. You have every right to intervene if there's hitting involved (to protect your child) but any 'rules' should be agreed with her mother.

Your parenting style shouldn't be applied to someone else's child. Please don't assume that it's superior, either. Personally, I dislike your thinking about emphasis on manners and 'ownership' of toys. I'd say that they will be played with, shared, sometimes broken. They 'belong' to MIL if they are in her house.

LondonGranny Sat 19-Oct-19 21:59:05

Also the unhelpful 'blood is thicker than water' trope always ignores that the mother and father are usually and ideally (from a genetics POV) totally unrelated.

LondonGranny Sat 19-Oct-19 21:56:39

I don't know whether this is a factor but some families put an unhealthy emphasis on family solely being blood relatives and regarding anyone else as 'an interloper'. Blood is not thicker than water, love is. A family is a group of people who care about each other. Back in the 18th century family meant a household of people which often included servants.

LondonGranny Sat 19-Oct-19 21:48:42

I would add that children don't wet the bed for attention in my experience.

paintingthetownred Sat 19-Oct-19 21:46:59

muffin
you may not be liking you for this, however, I really think you need to be withdrawing from these peoples lives and concentrating on your own.

If you do this, they will come back to you.
Other peoples relationships are really none of your business.
Painting

muffinthemoo Sat 19-Oct-19 21:41:35

She’s three. I know this isn’t outwith the norms of “threenagers”. That’s why I mentioned I fear I am too strict sad

I need to avoid any variant of “because Isabel’s mum thinks that is fine, but I don’t”. That’s just insanely bitchy. sad

The idea about the toys is a really good one, thank you LondonGranny and I will bring this up with my FIL.

I also have asked DH to bring up carefully with MIL that it is probably not a good idea for the girls’ Christmas and birthday gifts to be kept at her house this year whilst Isabel’s go back to Isabel’s house. I don’t think there is any benefit in looking for trouble.

LondonGranny Sat 19-Oct-19 21:35:55

When you say 'very small' how old is Isabel? If she's three or four it's in the range of expected behaviours. She's going through a time of change too. As for toys at your MILs, Isabel needs to have some toys there too.

muffinthemoo Sat 19-Oct-19 21:29:52

Hello ladies. I wonder if I might bring something to you for some advice. I have a bit of a tricky situation on my hands and I desperately do not want to do the wrong thing.

My BIL who is very dear to me has been in a relationship for about a year with a lady who has a very small child, the same age as my middle one. The relationship has progressed very quickly and they are living together as a family.

My little ones are very fond of this wee girl (let’s call her Isabel, I don’t want to use a real name of course) and she of them.

My MIL is making a strong effort to be inclusive of and accepting of Isabel as a family member. The situation is delicate as my BIL is still not allowed to parent Isabel or direct her although she often is in his sole care. As a result, my MIL is not identified as a ‘granny’ or he as a ‘dad’. I don’t have any views on this either way as Isabel is not my daughter and it is not for me to pass judgement on how BIL’s partner manages these relationships. Isabel’s birth father has never met her or been in her life and I realise this is a difficult situation for her mum to navigate.

I would absolutely definitely never willingly or knowingly do anything to endanger these relationships.

Here is my first trouble. It seems minor but the situation is very eggshell-y and I’m not sure how to proceed. DH says he doesn’t know what to do and wants me to handle the issue. My MIL over the years has tended to keep all of the kids’ christmas and birthday presents at her house for them to play with there. I have at times felt uncomfortable with this but have never made an issue of it.

However, Isabel has been using these toys/furniture etc when she is at MIL’s, both when she’s there alone and when all the little ones are there together. My eldest two (aged four and three) have been strictly instructed about sharing, so they do share with her, but have recently cried after some visits because “my granny gave [toy] to ME and now Isabel just takes it”. There have also been a few items that Isabel has taken home and that my children have noticed are missing.

The second issue is that MIL has taken down all pictures of DH and some of my children and replaced them with pictures of Isabel. The children have noticed this (it was absolutely not drawn to their attention) and have asked why this has happened. They have asked if they have to share their granny with Isabel and whether she is Isabel’s granny too. I have basically flannelled them with vague answers but am not sure how to approach this. She does not call BIL dad or anything like that.

The third issue is that BILs partner and I parent a bit differently. This is in no way a criticism of her. I am probably too strict and old fashioned in my approach to be honest. However I am strict about good manners and good behaviour when out or when visiting. On our last visit together to MIL’s, Isabel threw furniture, toys and food, and pushed my youngest (just turned one) off a ride on toy that MIL had purchased for him. Isabel also frequently wets “for attention” (according to her mum, I don’t make any judgement) and removes her clothing in public. At my youngest’s baptism, she had to be removed from mass for doing this and also for hitting my middle child.

My girls are questioning why they are corrected/not allowed to do things that Isabel is allowed to do without correction. I would add that my MIL is quite willing to correct them but Isabel not at all (again, this is a difficult relationship and I completely understand her position).

The wee ones are all fond of one another and we ensure they meet up regularly. This good relationship is really important to me and I don’t want to do anything to damage it.

How should I handle my children’s questions/reactions to all the above? I am desperate not to say the wrong thing.