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Need advice from grannies re my mother

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Elek Thu 30-Jan-20 19:17:48

Hello there. I'll just launch straight in.

I have a 3 year old son and since he was about 1, my mother has looked after him one day and night a week. This was arranged for a few reasons: so she had time with her grandson and to help me manage my work more easily (I work full time).

My father sadly passed away a year ago and within a few months, my mother started seeing someone.

Although this was hard for me, I have been supportive. I understand that people manage grief differently and I didn't think it was healthy for her to sit at home, alone, in any event. She has been having lots of fun travelling and having new experiences.

A few months ago, she, her boyfriend, my husband and I discussed the arrangement with her looking after her grandson. She said that she was unable to commit to one day and night a week but instead would take him on an ad hoc basis.

My husband and I agreed to this; she is not our babysitter afterall!

But now it has been nearly 2 months since she has seen her grandson. She spends all her time at her boyfriends house (3 hours drive away).

My grandson asks about her and asks when he can visit. I don't want her to feel obliged to look after him, I don't want to ask her to take him but her sudden disinterestedness, prioritisinf her boyfriend over her grandson, has upset me.

Should I ask her to take him? How can I do that without making her feel guilty or feeling that I am forcing her to take on an unwanted chore?

Kerenhappuch Fri 31-Jan-20 12:19:38

That's a terrible shame, and I'm surprised she doesn't realise that she, herself, is missing out. Grandchildren aren't small and keen to see us forever - I only get to see mine every few months because of distance, and there's nothing that warms my heart more than a delighted cry of 'GWANNY!' when they do see me! (Though they are keener on the cat!)

I think that when a very long relationship ends, some people do react by throwing themselves into new things, and perhaps taking family and old friends for granted. I have a friend who did this, and to be honest I think it has affected our relationship permanently. But it's different with family - you can't give up on them because they're not being considerate.

Can you take up the suggestion of Facetime/Skype calls between your son and his gran? It does keep the relationship alive.

Truddles Fri 31-Jan-20 12:15:25

Oh,Hetty58,as soon as I re-read that post of mine, I knew someone would pick me upon it! What I meant was I FaceTime with my daughter and grandchildren every day. I don’t initiate any calls or FaceTime. My daughter calls or FaceTimes me at least two or three times a day. Sometimes more. I would never dream of making a nuisance of myself because a) I am very busy in my own life and b) I have a brain in my head. Sorry for the confusion!

Tillybelle Fri 31-Jan-20 12:06:27

MOnica. Yet again my very first thoughts have been written by you! My husband died 29 years ago. About 7 years after he died I started seeing a man with whom I went out to concerts and for travels into the beautiful countryside near us. He declared his love for me but I was more "good friends". However, it was not long before he began to become very demanding of my time and was completely disregarding of my youngest daughter who was still at home with me aged 13. When I said I would not see him in a weekday evening because I was cooking for her and me and wanted to be with her, he would turn up and behave as though we had planned to go out anyway. I had no experience of a person like this before and had not heard of people like this.
I soon realised that he was not normal but I believed his stories about his sad divorce and hard life etc for about 4 to 5 years by which time I was utterly frustrated and shocked by the way he behaved and knew he told monstrous lies. He was a narcissist. Utterly selfish, a user, wanted my brains to do his work, my money to pay for his holidays and other things and me to make him look good as though he had a girlfriend. He soon treated me so badly I can't describe what it was like and he was impossible to get rid of as he turned up all the time.

Elek I am so sorry about the loss of your Dear Father.

Regarding your mother:
There is a chance that the new man is responsible for inveigling your mother away and at this early stage he has captivated her so she is entirely under his thrall. If you try to say perhaps he's doing too much too soon, which is a big red flag in the way narcissists gain their partners, she will fight against you and be more attached to him.

I honestly am not happy about this man. He has taken her life over too much too soon after the death of your Dear Father. When one's Husband dies, the Widow is often left with the house, and often a widow's pension plus maybe some life insurance from the late husband. There are men who know this. They may seem to be comfortably off, living in good circumstances. However as time passes, the truth comes out that they have debts and are desperate for money.
I am painting the bad side because the natural reaction of decent people who have not learned the hard way is to say, let your mother enjoy her life. But I know, through experience and further, through studying this phenomenon in my professional capacity as a Psychologist (now retired) that a relationship like your mother's should be looked at with great concern. He is cutting her off from her friends and family. That is another major big red flag. It looks as if he "love bombed" her at the start - red flag again. He does not appear to have wanted to get to know her family, her friends, her life in her own home, her routine -red flag. He is not taking it gently and caring for her needs, he is sweeping her off her feet and away from all she knows - red flag and big danger sign. It is significant that she has gone to him, 3 hours away, not he to her. It is significant that he has made her give up her link with her grandson, which most of us would love to have and she must miss a lot!
I said you can do nothing at this early stage. She will be besotted with him and any attempt to help her see him more objectively will drive her more into his arms at this stage. There could come a stage when she needs you and won't feel she can ask for help. She might feel too embarrassed to do so. You need to be, as we always say, there for her. Right now just let her know you love her, miss her and her grandson really wants to see her. Don't argue, just stay calm. Keep in touch whatever happens. Watch out for danger signs like her selling her house and moving in with him. Big shifts of her finances into his control are very serious. If that seems likely, please try to talk her out of it. She does not know this man. None of us do. Never trust someone you do not know. Try to find out more about him, his past, especially past relationships from people who do know him if you can - his family, work colleagues or neighbours. But people like him do keep such people at a distance and always behave as 'that nice man" in public so this might not be worth it so beware of people saying how nice he is. Look out for divorces, many jobs, not many really close friends and does he have money of his own?

I always explain this terrible side of matters in case it should be true. I hope this man is a good man. But I am seriously doubting him. I think he is selfish, he has not bothered to think of your mother's needs or of her life or her love for her family. He has almost captured her. People say that being with a Narcissist is like being held hostage. (google it) At first they promise the earth and flood you with love and roses, then once they have captured you and have control over all your life and have cut you off from friends and family, the torture begins and you can't get away. It happened to me twice. Almost three times. They prey on a particular type, people who are empathic. They test the people first to check this is so. Now I have learned about them and I see many signs in this man with whom your mother has become involved. Just from your short description. In case someone thinks it is not enough, we used to use such cameos for looking into cases in the very famous leading Psychiatric Hospital where I worked.
That your mother drives 3 hours to him and he does not accommodate her life and the people who matter to her, shows he is selfish. That he makes her give up her relationships with her family so early on in his relationship with him is the sign of a very calculating and selfish man.

I wish you every bit of luck and sincerely hope I am wrong. sending lots of love to you and your son and his dad. ?

icanhandthemback Fri 31-Jan-20 11:53:24

I have met the boyfriend a few times and he seems decent and I would be comfortable with him being around my son.

Please never stop being vigilant. A fortnight ago I would have never have said this but I have just discovered someone I would have trusted with my life (and my children) has been abusing one of his grandchildren. If you knew him, you would never have believed it.

If it were my mother, I would tell her that her Grandchild was missing her with the sudden change and ask her if there was a way she could redress the balance in a way that fitted in with her life. You don't need to criticise her or put pressure on her, just enlighten her of your child's needs and let her deal with it in her own way.

Hetty58 Fri 31-Jan-20 11:50:11

Truddles, I'm absolutely sure that my kids and grandkids would not like being Facetimed every day! If I haven't heard from them for a few weeks, then I'll phone or email.

Divawithattitude Fri 31-Jan-20 11:49:15

I too have been in this situation. My Father took up with a new lady he met within a few months of the death of my mother and was suddenly unavailable to us. He spent days at a time with her at her home and was always out. We had been used to seeing hims several evenings a week, for Sunday lunch and he always collected our son from school at least one day and took him home for tea at his house, very close to us.
It took a few months before this all calmed down and life went back to relatively normal, we invited her to join the sunday lunches, they met DS from school together and gradually became a couple with us, to the extent that we even all went on holiday together!!
Dont give up on your mother, the comments are right, the first flush will fade, the excitement of the new relationship will wear off. It really helps that youlike the partner she has chosen, get him onside, invite them to stay for a weekend if you feel you can.

Naty Fri 31-Jan-20 11:48:58

I wouldn't make it a chore. How about all of you get together and have an exciting day together? Plan something fun.

Truddles Fri 31-Jan-20 11:43:27

I am a nana to a three-year-old granddaughter and a one-year-old grandson. I spent a lot of time with my granddaughter from when she was born, even looking after her while my daughter and son-in-law took trips away. I saw her every day. Due to my son-in-law’s job, there was always the possibility they would move to different areas of the country every couple of years. My daughter had led me to believe that if the next move was a big one, I would be moving with them. My son-in-law then moved to a city more than 6 hours’ drive away. I spoke to my boss (I work part-time), and he even found me the same job in the “new” city. I was so excited; my daughter had even said they’d look for a house big enough for all of us, even my two cats! However, it soon became obvious that when faced with the prospect, my daughter didn’t want me to move with them. It was the biggest disappointment of my life! I was (and am) heartbroken. The worst part was not being able to see my grandchildren (especially my granddaughter; we had built such a strong bond. My grandson was only four months old when they moved, so I hadn’t spent as much time with him, though I love him all the same). I cannot understand grandparents who don’t seem to want to spend time with their grandchildren. I travel to see them once a month (at my expense and at the risk of losing my job because of the days I take off to visit). My daughter is always happy to see me, and my granddaughter adores me. I can stay for as long as I wish, but of course I have to get home for work.
You should tell your mum that you and your son are missing her. I FaceTime my daughter and grandchildren every day. It’s not the same, but it’s something, and it does help to ensure that my grandchildren don’t forget me. My daughter calls me constantly, so it’s not as if we’ve had words. Sometimes you have to smile and put on a happy face, even if you feel like crying/screaming/ throwing punches. Keep it sweet and smiley. But let her know you want her in your son’s life. Family issues have a habit of escalating.

Gransthebest Fri 31-Jan-20 11:25:29

I would tell her that your grandson is asking when he will see her again. I had a similar situation when I met a new man 8years ago. I was an still am very close to my grandchildren and had them every other weekend. I was working full time so the weekend suited. Although I was enraptured in my new man I never stopped seeing my grandchildren. Not only did I want very much to still see them they would have been very hurt and unable to understand why I didn't see them anymore. They were in my life before my new man and we had established a very strong bond. New man didn't have any grandchildren but totally understood that they were always going to be part of my life. We are still together and the grandchildren accept him as part of the family now. Please contact your mum for a chat and just pop in to the conversation that her grandson is missing her.

Jan51 Fri 31-Jan-20 11:18:32

Does she know that he is asking when he can go to see her ? I'd send her a little video of him saying hello and asking if he can come to see her soon. I live 300 miles from my grandchildren and I often get little videos or video calls from my daughter because the 3 yr old wants to tell me something or show me what she's made or baked, or just because she is driving her mum mad by picking up her phone and asking to talk to me. It makes my day.

BusterTank Fri 31-Jan-20 11:15:29

Speak to your mother one to one . Explain to her how you feel and tell her your not trying to guilt trip her . Tell her this coming from love and it only because you and your son care for her . Unless you tell her , she doesn't know how you feel .

trisher Fri 31-Jan-20 10:55:13

I agree with you asking her over and I would invite the boyfriend as well. Then you will be able to see what the relationship is like. I do wonder though is there a chance that the driving force behind your son staying over was not in fact your mother but your father? Sometimes grandads are much more enthusiastic about GCs because they missed their own children's childhood. It would explain why your mum now feels less need to see him.

4allweknow Fri 31-Jan-20 10:52:22

Can you all just not meet up for an afternoon/day? Does your DM have to have an overnight? If you could start slowly then perhaps your DM will realise what has happened re losing contact. Such a difficult situation, you have lost your Dad and now must feel the same is happening with your DM. Does your DMs new partner perhaps not have an interest in family/children and perhaps doesn't realise what is happening? Speak with your Mum highlighting how your son asks about her. I know this would get me round to your door!

DiWoo Fri 31-Jan-20 10:46:22

I imagine your mum is in the honeymoon period with this chap and maybe not realised how much time has elapsed whilst also very happy to have found something for herself. Keep the doors open for her and the lines of communication. Why not ask her to visit/dinner/outing but some time in the future so that she has space to fit it in, as it were. She may feel like she was too dependent on spending time with you and yours and you might not like it or that it might not be good for her.
Hope it all works out well

EMMYPEMMY Fri 31-Jan-20 10:39:50

I am a Grandmother to my beautiful girl, we are so close and no man would break that bond if I do not see her at least on a weekly basis I miss her terribly, surely your Mum must miss your Son , I wonder if the new partner has an influence and feels threatened by the attention and time your Mum gives to your Son...
She will feel it in time , try txt her tell her your Son misses her see how she answers that. You are a good daughter to realise she is a Person not just Mother, Grandmother etc but we must make time for all the special people in our Life, you never get that Time back remind her....

ReadyMeals Fri 31-Jan-20 10:34:19

I kind of disagree with M0nica and I think it's ok for other adults to drift in and out of a child's life as long as he has a core of dependable adults - even just one parent that is stable is enough to prevent an attachment disorder. What you need to do though is see that the child does not become dependant on a less stable adult. Had the grandmother been caring for the child every day while parents worked, then just disappearing could be very damaging. But as it was just a once a week thing, although the kid is disappointed, it's unlikely to be harmful to his development.

ReadyMeals Fri 31-Jan-20 10:30:39

Just tell her that the little boy has been asking to see her. She probably assumes he's happy playing and doesn't think about her. After all, the really important adults in a child's life are the parents. Grandparents are a bit of an accessory in most children's lives.

Jaycee5 Fri 31-Jan-20 10:30:21

I would contact her and chat a bit and then say something like 'X is asking when he can see you. It's been a while. What can I tell him?
Other than that I don't think there is much you can do at the moment. The time is probably flying by for her and she is not realising how long it has actually been.

nanasam Fri 31-Jan-20 10:25:55

My feeling is that your Mum is in the throes of a new, exciting relationship and feels just like we did when were young and had a new boyfriend. She wants to be with him all the time. Once the relationship settles down and she's not so giddy, I'm sure she'll be back. I know I was just like your Mum when I was newly in love. Be patient with her, she'll soon be back. flowers

Hetty58 Fri 31-Jan-20 10:19:58

Let your mother enjoy her life for now. When things settle down perhaps she'll offer to babysit again. Don't guilt trip her into it!

Gran16 Fri 31-Jan-20 10:14:07

This is a difficult situation. I am in a slightly different situation but similar in some ways. I have been with my husband for nearly 10 years .. he has dependant children that have fortnightly staying contact with us and have done for the majority of our relationship. I have adult children that think I should not prioritise my relationship and step children over them and my grandchildren which I have never intended and dont think I do. I have been banned from seeing grandchildren on more than one occasion due to me not being fair to them in their opinion. I have had to do most of the running to see my GC and they rarely visit me. I am paternal GM to all. I had a falling out with one of my children and they want nothing more to do with me as I dont make an effort to see them enough .. they are over an hour drive away from me and both work as do I so arranging visiting has never been easy to fit in with everyone. I am approaching 60 and am very upset. They think they punish me but they are also punishing their children too which is very upsetting.

Esspee Fri 31-Jan-20 10:12:31

I would invite both of them to visit you for a weekend. Then you will have a better idea of the dynamic and your son will remind her of what she has been missing by being so insular.

LuckyFour Fri 31-Jan-20 10:09:50

Can you invite them both over to yours. She will be proudly showing off her grandson and the boyfriend may enjoy the little boy's company too. Could be they will both help with looking after your son.

Nelli123 Fri 31-Jan-20 10:05:53

You say your mother is not your son's babysitter, but it seems to me you are more concerned that she's not done any babysitting recently. Maybe you mum feels she's being taken for granted and wants a bit of me-time. Two months is quite a long time though. Maybe you could ask to see her, no babysitting involved, planning a nice family afternoon, for instance, no strings attached.

GrannyAnnie2010 Fri 31-Jan-20 10:03:08

You come across as a perfectly reasonable person. She hasn't factored your son into her timetable, but you could put her into his. Be proactive, take control, and invite her over on a specific date.