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Is this a good or a really bad idea?

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Philippa60 Sat 29-Jan-22 08:53:11

My son and daughter in law live in London and are expecting their first baby soon. Both we and her parents live abroad. Her parents cannot travel for health and COVID reasons, and we were expecting to be there to support in any way we can (as we did with our daughter when she had her kids, being on call, giving a hand when needed, etc.)
My son and DiL are VERY independent types and really don't like asking for help. They have told us that they'd rather bond with the baby alone and not have us travel to London for the birth.
I was a little hurt but understand and respect their request.
We will probably travel over for a short visit to meet the baby when it suits them, maybe a month after the birth.
My question is this: I have a feeling they don't know what they are facing with a newborn with zero support, and wanted to offer them (as a gift) a post-natal nurse for a few days, to get them started.
On the one hand I think it could be a nice offer, but on the other hand it may be interpreted as massive interfering and worse, suggesting that they won't manage alone!
I'd love to hear people's thoughts on this
Thanks
P60

Fleur20 Sat 29-Jan-22 11:56:52

Be wary of too much 'food for the freezer' type gifts.. if they are organised the freezer will be stocked to the hilt already.... maybe VOUCHERS for delivery food... so they can indulge as and when they wish... easy to do online for you and them..

greenlady102 Sat 29-Jan-22 11:56:29

bad idea. Don't do it

Namsnanny Sat 29-Jan-22 11:55:51

Well put BlueBelle

Namsnanny Sat 29-Jan-22 11:52:23

I agree with witzend about showing off the new addition. I was besotted with mine, and wanted every one else to meet them and see what all the fuss was about!

It's so thoughtful of you
Philippa 60 to worry about them, but your decision to leave well alone is undoubtedly the best for now.
Things are done differently now.

BlueBelle Sat 29-Jan-22 11:50:31

We had no such expectations of ‘no visitors for a month’ when I was having babies if people called they called its a dreadfully elite sort of pretentiousness nowadays that truely annoys me I want to say ‘get on with it’
Having said that you have made the right decision phillipa just go with the flow and have fun when the time comes

Philippa60 Sat 29-Jan-22 11:36:25

Witzend, absolutely, that is the kind of parents we are and exactly how I was with my DD and her 3 births. I was "on call" to help her as needed, and the cooked meals we brought round were very welcome.
She in no way had to wait on me!! It was the opposite (and always as been, her eldest is now 13) and we have a great relationship.
Our relationship with my DS and DIL is also great but so different and this "leave us alone to bond" bit was news to me. But of course I respect it and will do as I am told.
It just feels very unsupportive of me, but the consensus on here has helped me see that I really do need to leave well alone.
Thanks

Witzend Sat 29-Jan-22 11:13:28

I think you have to accept it, OP, hurtful or not. They may change their minds after the baby’s actually arrived,

COVID aside, I really don’t understand this ‘no visitors for a month while we bond’ business, but judging from MN, it seems pretty common now. Or should that be ‘fashionable’?

Personally I was only too pleased to show off my new babies to family and friends, and dd has been the same with her 3. We first met all of them within hours, and she was always happy for anyone else to enjoy a cuddle.

I dare say there can be problems with the sort of people who stay too long and expect to be waited on, so if parents or in laws etc. are that type I can well understand it.

IMO visitors in the early days should come prepared to muck in, put the washing on, hang it up, or do anything else that clearly needs doing, and preferably bring a meal that can just be shoved in the oven to heat up later.

As far as I could tell, all dd’s friends were the ‘bring a meal and muck in’ types.

missingmarietta Sat 29-Jan-22 11:10:00

Absolutely leave them to it as they have requested. There is no reason 2 adults can't cope with their own new born baby. My husband and I did just fine without any help, no problems and not difficult.
It's quite patronising to say they can't cope without you. And to have independent adult children is far better than dependent, helpless, anxious ones.
Wait until invited, and never interfere as it will always backfire. Listen to them, hear what they say which I don't think you've done, already.
Sure, some babies and/or mothers can have a bad time and health problems after a poor childbirth experience...but you will be informed of that, and let's hope both mother and baby will be absolutely fine and thriving.

aonk Sat 29-Jan-22 11:09:09

I’m finding this hard to understand. I won’t bore you with my own circumstances but will give you a summary of them. No family support available and I was ill after the births of both my children. Husband had a demanding job and wasn’t at home much. We still coped (no choice) and I’m sure your DS and DIL will do the same.

Hetty58 Sat 29-Jan-22 11:06:58

Philippa60, - a very bad idea - do, please, take the hint and leave them to get on with it.

You are, of course, quite right with 'they don't know what they are facing with a newborn' (do any of us?) but they'll manage, just fine, without 'help'. They don't have other bored toddlers around to deal with.

They probably want to avoid any visits - with associated stress and Covid worries - and just concentrate on settling in with their new baby.

I used to get so fed up with a constant stream of visitors - meaning I had to offer drinks/snacks/lunch and felt obliged to chat (when a nap would have been so welcome).

There was the irritation of them all 'wanting a hold' (like pass the parcel) - and the ridiculous need to go upstairs in my own house to breastfeed and settle the baby. Repeat - for all four children. It wasn't 'help' - it was hindrance!

lixy Sat 29-Jan-22 11:04:21

I think the Covid lockdowns have changed many new parents perceptions. Many of their friends will have been at home with out any support with their newborns because of the restrictions and so setting their own routine has become the norm.
Just keep the emails etc bright and breezy and enjoy the baby when you can.

EllanVannin Sat 29-Jan-22 11:01:16

A delivery of a favourite food hamper would be more than acceptable at this stage.

Callistemon21 Sat 29-Jan-22 11:00:12

Ps they may wish they taken you up on your offer after the baby arrives but may not tell you that.

Callistemon21 Sat 29-Jan-22 10:58:53

Your decision is the right one Phillipa60

Offer your love and congratulations, ask if there is anything they want as a gift (their choice too) and enjoy your visit and new DGC.

nadateturbe Sat 29-Jan-22 10:55:51

Nice thought but I wouldn't. ?

Grannynannywanny Sat 29-Jan-22 10:54:17

Wishing you a lovely time when you visit your new grandchild Philippa60

Lincslass Sat 29-Jan-22 10:51:16

No it’s not a good idea, always excited about the arrival of the new grandchild,offers of help , if declined you have to accept gracefully and accept it is the parents wishes that come first,not the grandparents.

Philippa60 Sat 29-Jan-22 10:46:56

Much appreciate all the advice and I will back off... I kind of thought that would be best but glad to hear such consistent opinions.
Will think about the hamper or meals idea but I am sure they can just order Uber Eats or whatever.
We will plan to visit after about a month but only if they agree and most definitely would NOT stay with them!
Thanks, everyone

MayBeMaw Sat 29-Jan-22 10:44:19

As the others have said, don’t do anything.
A Doula has to be selected by the parents, you could choose one they don’t get in with
Just to be clear, I was suggesting footing the bill for a doula-of course she would be of their choosing and they have probably chosen and booked one already.

SusieB50 Sat 29-Jan-22 10:36:27

They will be fine, but maybe to show you care and are thinking of them vouchers to have tasty meals delivered or a hamper with delicious treats would be good. Not sure they will get much support from health visitors though things have changed a lot?. My DS and DiL had twins and took any help they could get if anyone visited they were given a baby as they walked in the door! My independent DD and SiL didn’t want help but appreciated meals provided. Hope you get to see the new baby soon !

OnwardandUpward Sat 29-Jan-22 10:35:31

We live in a time where people can get anything they could possibly want delivered at any time of the day and even night in some cases. No one needs deliveries of home cooked meals these days as they can choose from a host of healthy foods delivered to them without any emotional input.

Additionally, she can have her parents with her on video chat any time she wants, and her friends too- or anyone who they feel will support them. It's not as if they will have no one.

I would back off and wait to be invited for a short visit. I know it's really hard, but its different when it's not your baby and it's your DiL and son's choice to be alone with the baby. Im sorry and I know its hard, but you have to wait til you're needed or asked for, if you want to have a good relationship. Being a GP is very different to being a parent.

Oopsadaisy1 Sat 29-Jan-22 10:35:27

As the others have said, don’t do anything.
A Doula has to be selected by the parents, you could choose one they don’t get in with.
However, food for the freezer is an excellent idea.
We managed without any help and we were absolutely fine, our parents were working and MrOops could only take a couple of days holiday to help me, no freezer, no washing machine either, I think you underestimate their ability to cope.

Redhead56 Sat 29-Jan-22 10:24:03

Leave them alone as requested do not give in is my advice. We were told our daughter and SIL were going to manage without visitors or help for the first weeks. We accepted their decision but our daughter rang and asked us to visit while still in hospital. We were met with disapproval by our SIL. Who felt we had ignored their wishes to give them time alone.
We are supportive when we are asked and we do get on well. I feel it has changed our relationship though it’s not quite the same as it was.

Nannagarra Sat 29-Jan-22 10:15:19

Please respect their wishes, much as you’d like to help. Have you asked the couple what they’d like? Lots people batch cook and fill the freezer just before a baby is due.
This is an exciting time but can be fraught with misunderstandings!

Peasblossom Sat 29-Jan-22 10:12:34

Of course it might not be that hard? My first one just ate and slept, ate and slept. Plenty of time for me to read books.?