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Is it right/ok?

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Thistlelass Tue 22-Aug-23 00:31:17

For my 6 year old grandson to refer to oral sex? Just that really. I am seeing this as a step beyond generally talking about body parts and poop jokes etc. Maybe I am wrong. All I did was notify the parents what he had said and say that it troubled me he knew about this. I never experienced any such issues with his Dad and my other 3 sons. It is worrying me very much.

Iam64 Wed 30-Aug-23 07:47:56

Thistelass, is you discuss this with your cpn and they share your concerns, they’re likely to suggest you contact Children’s Services. They may make a first approach at your request but ultimately, you’re the person with first hand knowledge

Thistlelass Tue 29-Aug-23 22:02:44

Hithere

I tell my kids this movie or tv program is for adults (Avengers movie, Friends tv show)

It wouldnt be too weird for them to revert the order and say "adult movie"

Yes. I have thought of that, but thanks.

Hithere Tue 29-Aug-23 21:57:44

I tell my kids this movie or tv program is for adults (Avengers movie, Friends tv show)

It wouldnt be too weird for them to revert the order and say "adult movie"

Thistlelass Tue 29-Aug-23 21:18:49

Would anyone know if I discuss this with my CPN (involved for the past year), will they take it back to social services as a referral?

Iam64 Fri 25-Aug-23 08:08:43

It’s far too easy for parents to explain their child’s sexualised play or comments by suggesting they (inadvertently) saw pornography.

Esmay Fri 25-Aug-23 02:02:12

I'd be concerned , but our grandchildren are bombarded with sexual images /references all day if they watch TV .

Recently , a small child was asking about erections in the supermarket to the horror of his mother and the amusement of the shoppers .

lemsip Thu 24-Aug-23 22:09:47

have a look at this thread under News & politics

‘Grandad’s Pride’. Really?

it was on the news also. see what children are being taught.

Iam64 Thu 24-Aug-23 21:08:03

I share your concerns Thistlelass. This seems different than the normal 6 year old boy obsessed with willies, farts and bums.
The lick my pee pee, lick the dogs bottom and watch adult movie aren’t the kind of sexualised comment I’d expect from a 6 year old.

It’s possible an older child has shown him pornography on his phone. It’s possible he’s being sexually exploited. Write down what you remember, what was happening when he first saud these things, who and how responses followed. Could you meet with his parents? If this was my 6 year old child or grandson I’d be worried.
If it was referred to a social work team they should investigate. Whether they would these days is another matter. Nspcc doesn’t investigate, it takes the details and sends them to the local authority sw team. But, nspcc has good, experienced staff who’d be happy to sit with you and talk this through

lemsip Thu 24-Aug-23 20:20:43

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12369421/Council-prevents-schools-using-teaching-material-perform-oral-anal-sex-pushing-trans-terms-like-assigned-birth-promoting-controversial-Genderbread-man.html
A council's sex education teaching materials amount to 'soft porn', a representative for a women's rights organisation has claimed, after the council were forced to withdraw some of its recommended teaching material.

Documents seen by MailOnline concerning the lessons included the controversial 'Genderbread man' - which shows someone's gender identity, gender expression and anatomical sex to be different things.

they are teaching inappropriate things to small children.

MrsKen33 Thu 24-Aug-23 19:57:03

DiamondLily. I agree wholeheartedly with you.

Primrose53 Thu 24-Aug-23 19:24:00

I would be concerned. I never knew about stuff like this until I was well into my teens. 6!!!!!

DiamondLily Thu 24-Aug-23 18:48:26

When I was working in a Child Protection dept, this would have been a red flag, to be honest.

silverlining48 Thu 24-Aug-23 13:02:27

Wishing you well thistle

Thistlelass Wed 23-Aug-23 11:51:33

I would like to thank everyone for their input. It has been helpful.

Thistlelass Wed 23-Aug-23 11:50:39

fancythat

and finally dared her to watch an adult movie as he called it.

My best guess is that his parents have allowed him to watch some.
Of course I dont know for sure.

I would ask your son whether that happens in the first instance. I wouldnt take long before asking him.

I am 100% confident this would not happen in my son's home. Have no doubt about that.

fancythat Wed 23-Aug-23 11:15:59

and finally dared her to watch an adult movie as he called it.

My best guess is that his parents have allowed him to watch some.
Of course I dont know for sure.

I would ask your son whether that happens in the first instance. I wouldnt take long before asking him.

Madgran77 Wed 23-Aug-23 11:09:08

GrannyRose15

With the extra detail it does sound like it is just 6 year old stuff but I’d keep an eye out for further incidents if that is possible. Also make sure the little girl knows that the best way to deal with these suggestions is to say no walk away and tell mum.

It does NOT sound like just 6 year old stuff!!! Very very concerning behaviour!

VioletSky Wed 23-Aug-23 03:39:01

This would really bother me too

The NSPCC has some good resources for teaching children about what areas of their bodies should be kept private for children his age.

Unfortunately children do overhear things, especially from other children who have older siblings or older children on the playground. It can be hard to pinpoint where these things come from... But it is important to find out if it comes from other children or an adult.

If you are concerned that there is no possibility this is coming from children talking and just finding what they know to be rude words funny, you should report it. Especially as it happened in your care if you genuinely believe the parents aren't handling it appropriately

However this may damage your relationship with the parents and you must

You also have to be very careful questioning children, any leading questions would not be helpful to social services or any safeguarding organisation as leading questions are know to put ideas into a child's head making the information void

So you would have to wait until something was said again and stick to where, who and when questions

Eg, where did you hear that? Who said it to you? When did that happen

I hope you are ok, try not to worry too much, I've heard some things in my time at school and they have all been traced back to other children so far

nanna8 Wed 23-Aug-23 01:54:56

The very fact that you have raised your concerns on this anonymous forum says it all. Something is definitely ‘off’ here.

Shelflife Tue 22-Aug-23 23:35:48

Mentioning this to school is a sound idea , I feel sure they would follow it up by contacting SS , then it wasn't you! Clearly you are very upset - who wouldn't be!? Your GC are the priority here , all may be well but better safe than sorry. If my GC came out with such comments I would be like you - very very worry indeed. I don't envy you and fully understand your reluctance to take this matter further.

Callistemon21 Tue 22-Aug-23 23:11:06

GrannyRose15

Thistlelass

So you honestly think 6 year old boys these days know about specific sexual acts? I don't think they should have such awareness. What if he says this to a child at school or if that is where something happened.

I don’t think he was referring to a sexual act. I think he might have been trying to say the most disgusting thing he could think of. Little boys that age are obsessed with bottoms, farts, poo etc. Of course I may be wrong but if the parents aren’t worried then I think there may be a more innocent explanation than the one you fear.

I do remember DD telling me about what some of the boys at her school had said when they were all about six. They picked up on what they thought was disgusting and rude very quickly and delighted in repeating these things to the girls in the class.

I knew the parents of most of them and, as far as I was aware, they were all decent families.

However, I would certainly keep my ears open for any more alarm bells ringing.

GrannyRose15 Tue 22-Aug-23 23:01:20

Thistlelass

So you honestly think 6 year old boys these days know about specific sexual acts? I don't think they should have such awareness. What if he says this to a child at school or if that is where something happened.

I don’t think he was referring to a sexual act. I think he might have been trying to say the most disgusting thing he could think of. Little boys that age are obsessed with bottoms, farts, poo etc. Of course I may be wrong but if the parents aren’t worried then I think there may be a more innocent explanation than the one you fear.

Hetty58 Tue 22-Aug-23 21:18:10

M0nica - oh yes, indeed. We said that Mum and Dad are just playing piggy back in bed!

M0nica Tue 22-Aug-23 21:14:13

Just thought, but are his parents careless at home with adult films and their own language and behaviour.

I am sure a lot of us remember children walking in on us at a critical moment when we thought the children were tucked up and asleep.

MrsKen33 Tue 22-Aug-23 20:10:30

Better to be wrong than do nothing in these circumstances. You sound worried and concerned Thistlelass, Perhaps you could contact SS with a ‘what if’. They would advise you.