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Need Wisdom Regarding Time with Grandbaby

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LovingGiGi Fri 03-Nov-23 21:00:46

I am so incredibly hurt. For years my son lovingly teased me about becoming a grandparent and indicated he was eager to see me in that role. Then his wife became pregnant. We live 20 minutes away from one another, A week before baby's birth my husband and I were given the rules:

1.) We could not even see the baby for the first week as my son and his wife needed "time to bond" with the baby. My son used my husband and me as an example: no family saw him the first week after his birth. I pointed out that my family lived in another state and would be coming for his baptism 10 days later. It was too hard for them to come twice in less than two weeks. If they had lived in town, they would have seen him multiple times in the first week.

2.) No kissing baby - not even on the top of the head or on her toes. Hmm... If they wanted to use my experience as an excuse for their rules, as in rule number one, kissing by family members would not be denied. But my son chose to pick and choose my experiences with him as an excuse for their rules.

3.) No overnights. What the heck?? I never asked for overnights. I did mention I could get a free pack-n-play for baby to sleep in when they visit, but I was referring to napping or sleeping in if parents went out for a date and came home late to pick her up and she needed a spot to snooze.

After baby was born, my son and his wife, who had an emergency c-section, had two weeks of food delivery lined up from various people. The people were only allowed to drop off food to my son in the parking lot of their apartment building. I had no problem with people dropping off food, BUT if my son wanted to use my experience of first-time parenthood as justification for his rules, then no one would bring him food because no one brought us food after he was born. I also had an emergency c-section.

I brought my son and his wife a meal when my grandbaby was six days old. Because she was not yet a week old, I could not come up to the apartment. I was, though, "allowed" to "see" my first grandbaby from the balcony of the apartment building they live in and "wave" at her. I felt like I was going to a nursing care facility to wave to an ill super elderly person from a window outside during the pandemic. I hated it. It felt like waving a chocolate candy bar in front of a starving child and saying, "Look, but don't touch. Now, isn't that amazing?" I could not even see the baby. I didn't want to wave at the crown of an infant head. I wanted to "taste" my grandbaby's goodness by holding her and touching her. It was like salt in an open wound.

Finally, the day arrived when my husband and I could actually visit. When we arrived, baby was in the living room in her bassinet. We were not allowed to pick her up out of it. We had to sit on the couch and have her handed to us. She was bundled in a swaddle, and we could not see anything but her face. We were not allowed to touch her skin at all. When I went to pass baby to her Papa (my husband) sitting next to me, my son insisted that he be the one to pass the baby. I felt like I was being treated like a young child and not a grandmother who raised her own children.

When I later expressed how hurtful all this was, my son got upset with me saying that she is his and his wife's child and not mine and I do not get to make the rules. But that is all I was given: rule after rule after rule, and not anything I CAN do as a grandmother.

My grandbaby is now 4 months old, and I have held her an average of 10 minutes a month. I have never babysat her, played with her, read a book to her, sang a lullaby to her, given her a bottle, changed her diapers, pushed her in her stroller, or done anything grandmas do with grandbabies, especially kissed her.

What I have done is cried and cried and cried. I cannot understand why my son who was super affectionate towards me, even when he was in college, is now distancing himself from me and, more hurtful, keeping my grandbaby at an arms-length, saying this is how his generation operates. I am scared. Will it always be this way with her? Will I never have a true relationship with her? I literally feel like there is a knife piercing my heart.

In addition to keeping the baby at arms-length, it seems that rather than listening and learning from one another and across generations, my son and his wife are rejecting everything my generation believes about family, and acting as if my generation has nothing of value to offer the generations behind us because we are not as smart as they are: they can just go online and read stuff from people who are smarter than we are. Their baby must at all costs be protected from us. That is very hurtful. I don't understand it.

Please, I would love any insight and wisdom others can give me on this issue. I need to get my head on straight about this as the hurt is so deep. I just want to love on my grandbaby in real life - not by seeing pictures of her posted online.

eazybee Tue 07-Nov-23 15:21:04

The point is that these people are parents, children and grandchildren, just about the closest relationship you can get, not teenagers employed for a few hours child-minding,
If you feel your parents can't cope without a lengthy list of instructions and a training session then you really should not be leaving your offspring with them. If you are leaving children in their care then you have to trust their judgement and accept their decisions.
It is the adult children who are patronising and disrespectful.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 07-Nov-23 15:13:43

And stopping before the child is able to speak and tell! How calculated is that?

Luckygirl3 Tue 07-Nov-23 15:11:20

Germanshepherdsmum

GrammaTaylor

Oh how I feel your heartbreak. I too was handed unexpected rules from my son upon the birth of my first grandchild. Very similar to the ones you have received. My advice is bite the bullet, follow the rules, keep your eye on the prize, that sweet and precious grandchild. It took my son and daughter in law over a year to even let us babysit. Upon arriving at their home we were always given even more rules and a refresher course. To their face we complied. After they left we throughout the rules. We weren't going to hurt the baby. I raised my son safe and sound, surely I could love on my Grandson safely. When they returned we lied to them. Yes dears we followed all the rules and it went so smoothly. We did this until the child could talk as he couldn't tell on us. They did loosen up a bit as our grandson became a toddler. But when my first grandson turned 5 they had my second grandson. Guess what? No more rules. I think they were too exhausted for rules. Now I'm living the Gramma high life. Time spent with them now is how I always imagined it. So be patience, when they are present follow their stupid rules and keep your eye on your prize, that sweet adorable grand baby.

That’s a shocking way to behave when someone has entrusted their child to your care. Lying and deceiving. And a grandchild is not a grandparent’s ‘prize’.

Absolutely agree. How very patronising and dishonest.

Skye17 Tue 07-Nov-23 14:22:51

eazybee

The point is, NotSpaghetti, is that the grandparents are babysitting for free to allow their adult children time to themselves, plus the fact that they have raised children successfully and it is therefore disrespectful of their children to assume they do not know what they are doing and need instruction before they can be left.

But probably the AC would rather have babysitters who would do what they wanted than babysitters who would pretend they were going to and then not do, even if they had to pay. It’s dishonest.

I don’t think it’s disrespectful to want things done differently from the way your parents did them. It doesn’t necessarily mean that you think your parents don’t know what they’re doing. It just means that views have changed, sometimes as a result of research, and you think the new ways are better.

NotSpaghetti Tue 07-Nov-23 14:14:44

The point is not, easybee that the grandparents are babysitting for free OR that they have raised children successfully. It is disrespectful of them to assume they can do as they please with someone else's baby.

welbeck Tue 07-Nov-23 13:28:55

the arrogant attitudes of some on here fully justifies any parents' wariness IMO.
no wonder this is the number one complaint on MN.
i used to think some on MN were being a bit harsh, until i starting reading GN.
then i realised what they were up against.

eazybee Tue 07-Nov-23 12:38:43

The point is, NotSpaghetti, is that the grandparents are babysitting for free to allow their adult children time to themselves, plus the fact that they have raised children successfully and it is therefore disrespectful of their children to assume they do not know what they are doing and need instruction before they can be left.

Smileless2012 Tue 07-Nov-23 11:46:53

When DS (our first) was 2 months old, Mr. S. took me out for a meal for my birthday. My m.i.l. baby sat. She gave him a bottle, changed him and settled him down when he was ready.

It never entered my head to provide a list of rules, why would I? She raised her own 5 children.

Margiknot Tue 07-Nov-23 11:29:49

It must be hard for you both. The parents seem to be following very strict advice from some modern parenting philosophy- building primary parental attachments first or something. It does seem to be common now for new parents to have lots of rules for family! No doubt as new parents they are doing what they think is best for their new baby and following expert advice ( as presumably they are) leads to more confident parenting which is good for the child. The rules given to my parents sometimes went against their instincts but first born children seem to do as well as those born to more experienced parents.

Skye17 Tue 07-Nov-23 11:13:05

^ It’s really very arrogant.

Theexwife Tue 07-Nov-23 11:09:52

GrammaTaylor

Oh how I feel your heartbreak. I too was handed unexpected rules from my son upon the birth of my first grandchild. Very similar to the ones you have received. My advice is bite the bullet, follow the rules, keep your eye on the prize, that sweet and precious grandchild. It took my son and daughter in law over a year to even let us babysit. Upon arriving at their home we were always given even more rules and a refresher course. To their face we complied. After they left we throughout the rules. We weren't going to hurt the baby. I raised my son safe and sound, surely I could love on my Grandson safely. When they returned we lied to them. Yes dears we followed all the rules and it went so smoothly. We did this until the child could talk as he couldn't tell on us. They did loosen up a bit as our grandson became a toddler. But when my first grandson turned 5 they had my second grandson. Guess what? No more rules. I think they were too exhausted for rules. Now I'm living the Gramma high life. Time spent with them now is how I always imagined it. So be patience, when they are present follow their stupid rules and keep your eye on your prize, that sweet adorable grand baby.

Appalling behaviour, the arrogance of thinking that you know better.

Harris27 Tue 07-Nov-23 10:58:20

Back off even if it kills you let them come to you and abide by their rules. Best advice I can give as long term grandparent.

annodomini Tue 07-Nov-23 10:53:31

One DDiL had an emergency c-section and I have never been kept away from her first DS, now 18, who has a great
relationship with me and will confide almost anything to me. In fact, if he was having a melt-down, (as teenagers sometimes do) my DS, his dad, often asked me to speak to him! I have never been held back from bonding with any of my GC and now I am proud to say that they are responsible, sociable and still affectionate young adults. Luckily their parents either hadn't read the latest child-rearing manuals and the same can be said of my DGD1 who now has my beautiful toddler DGGD who has been sociable from the day she was born - and still is.

Skye17 Tue 07-Nov-23 10:42:20

GrammaTaylor

Oh how I feel your heartbreak. I too was handed unexpected rules from my son upon the birth of my first grandchild. Very similar to the ones you have received. My advice is bite the bullet, follow the rules, keep your eye on the prize, that sweet and precious grandchild. It took my son and daughter in law over a year to even let us babysit. Upon arriving at their home we were always given even more rules and a refresher course. To their face we complied. After they left we throughout the rules. We weren't going to hurt the baby. I raised my son safe and sound, surely I could love on my Grandson safely. When they returned we lied to them. Yes dears we followed all the rules and it went so smoothly. We did this until the child could talk as he couldn't tell on us. They did loosen up a bit as our grandson became a toddler. But when my first grandson turned 5 they had my second grandson. Guess what? No more rules. I think they were too exhausted for rules. Now I'm living the Gramma high life. Time spent with them now is how I always imagined it. So be patience, when they are present follow their stupid rules and keep your eye on your prize, that sweet adorable grand baby.

Lying to your children - appalling advice! I would rather be trustworthy, thanks. I’d have agreed to the rules and then kept them. What does it matter compared to treating your children right?

Younger people hearing of this sort of thing are less likely to trust grandparents.

NotSpaghetti Tue 07-Nov-23 09:27:36

eazybee
The point is, it wasn't what was asked of them.
Disregarding others requests for one's own satisfaction is rude and lacking respect.

No wonder grandparents are sometimes not trusted!

eazybee Tue 07-Nov-23 09:19:58

Well, I don't suppose these wicked grandparents did evil things the moment the parents were out of the door, like feeding the child endless sweets, letting him watch horror movies whilst playing with matches and kissing the cat. No doubt they gave him a few extra cuddles, read him several bedtime stories and probably kissed the top of his head, and surprisingly, in the care of two experienced grandparents, he survived.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 07-Nov-23 08:58:21

GrammaTaylor

Oh how I feel your heartbreak. I too was handed unexpected rules from my son upon the birth of my first grandchild. Very similar to the ones you have received. My advice is bite the bullet, follow the rules, keep your eye on the prize, that sweet and precious grandchild. It took my son and daughter in law over a year to even let us babysit. Upon arriving at their home we were always given even more rules and a refresher course. To their face we complied. After they left we throughout the rules. We weren't going to hurt the baby. I raised my son safe and sound, surely I could love on my Grandson safely. When they returned we lied to them. Yes dears we followed all the rules and it went so smoothly. We did this until the child could talk as he couldn't tell on us. They did loosen up a bit as our grandson became a toddler. But when my first grandson turned 5 they had my second grandson. Guess what? No more rules. I think they were too exhausted for rules. Now I'm living the Gramma high life. Time spent with them now is how I always imagined it. So be patience, when they are present follow their stupid rules and keep your eye on your prize, that sweet adorable grand baby.

That’s a shocking way to behave when someone has entrusted their child to your care. Lying and deceiving. And a grandchild is not a grandparent’s ‘prize’.

pregpaws3 Tue 07-Nov-23 08:51:17

I’m not a grandmother but from day one I helped my young neighbour, visiting, giving the anti clotting injections she needed and nursing the crying babe whilst mum went to have a bath as the partner was at work as neither had close Family. Both bonded with the babe but were very grateful for help and support, Meals provided and company.

Cambsnan Tue 07-Nov-23 08:17:53

Give it time. We all remember those first days. The mum has no doubt read all the horror stories on mumsnet of babies getting infections from relative kisses. Offer your love and support at their pace. They will relax. Try not to be hurt and keep that door open. When you visit do the washing up or the ironing rather than expect to nurse the baby!

Grams2five Tue 07-Nov-23 04:56:38

GrammaTaylor

Oh how I feel your heartbreak. I too was handed unexpected rules from my son upon the birth of my first grandchild. Very similar to the ones you have received. My advice is bite the bullet, follow the rules, keep your eye on the prize, that sweet and precious grandchild. It took my son and daughter in law over a year to even let us babysit. Upon arriving at their home we were always given even more rules and a refresher course. To their face we complied. After they left we throughout the rules. We weren't going to hurt the baby. I raised my son safe and sound, surely I could love on my Grandson safely. When they returned we lied to them. Yes dears we followed all the rules and it went so smoothly. We did this until the child could talk as he couldn't tell on us. They did loosen up a bit as our grandson became a toddler. But when my first grandson turned 5 they had my second grandson. Guess what? No more rules. I think they were too exhausted for rules. Now I'm living the Gramma high life. Time spent with them now is how I always imagined it. So be patience, when they are present follow their stupid rules and keep your eye on your prize, that sweet adorable grand baby.

How shameful. To blatantly disrespect your son and his wife and be so proud of it.

GrammaTaylor Tue 07-Nov-23 02:28:47

Oh how I feel your heartbreak. I too was handed unexpected rules from my son upon the birth of my first grandchild. Very similar to the ones you have received. My advice is bite the bullet, follow the rules, keep your eye on the prize, that sweet and precious grandchild. It took my son and daughter in law over a year to even let us babysit. Upon arriving at their home we were always given even more rules and a refresher course. To their face we complied. After they left we throughout the rules. We weren't going to hurt the baby. I raised my son safe and sound, surely I could love on my Grandson safely. When they returned we lied to them. Yes dears we followed all the rules and it went so smoothly. We did this until the child could talk as he couldn't tell on us. They did loosen up a bit as our grandson became a toddler. But when my first grandson turned 5 they had my second grandson. Guess what? No more rules. I think they were too exhausted for rules. Now I'm living the Gramma high life. Time spent with them now is how I always imagined it. So be patience, when they are present follow their stupid rules and keep your eye on your prize, that sweet adorable grand baby.

0ddOne Tue 07-Nov-23 00:45:32

Hithere "Why would you change her diaper? Give her a bottle, push her stroller?

Those are usually parents' tasks"

And often, grandparent tasks! I have 3 GC, and have bathed them, changed them, given them their bottles, fed them, and every other "task" a parent would do. And I've done that from the moment they were born. As have their other GMs! So no, these are not just "parent" tasks.

Mamasperspective Mon 06-Nov-23 23:25:45

Ok so this isn't a hard one to comment on.

While I understand that you have raised your own children and did things differently, I expect this was a long time ago and you do have to accept that this is not your child and you do not get a say in parenting decisions.

I remember having my own child and MIL INSISTED in her granddaughter being brought to meet her the day after birth as we wanted to bond with our child as new parents in the hospital. I got discharged at 10pm and HAD to be at hers by 10am ... she insisted in 'hogging' the baby for the entire visit and was completely overbearing, visiting constantly and directly resulting in me getting post-natal depression. She ruined my post natal experience and bonding time with my new baby. I swore it would never happen again.

You have clearly raised an independent man (well done) and they do say, "A son is a son til he takes him a wife, a daughter is a daughter for all of their life"

He's advocating for his nuclear family and you should be proud of that. Your son is not trying to 'add' members to your family, he's creating his own family separate from you and you then become extended family.

Previously mothers have relied on the experience of family (and older generations) to pass down the skills of parenthood but now things have changed dramatically.

Now there is widespread access via the internet to medical professionals who have performed YEARS of studies into safe parenting practices and child development. For example, you're hurt over kissing (this is a rule I had in place myself) yet oral herpes simplex can be carried by an adult with absolutely no symptoms and passed to a baby - this can be fatal to newborns, is it really worth the risk? To put a baby at risk in such a way AND to give the parents anxiety at that potential risk for the sake of a kiss is nothing short of selfish.

I've also lost count of the times that people say "Baby needs to build up an immune system" .... that will happen naturally without purposely putting the baby at risk.

Also, bear in mind that your advice is potentially just not wanted. I don't mean to sound harsh when I say that but his wife has likely grown with her own mother, they share a lifetime of memories together, she has wiped her tears and been her biggest cheerleader and there will be years of trust between them - it would make sense that she would go to her own mother for advice before you, in the same way that your son is likely to go to his own dad for advice before her father.

You seem to see their approach as obstructive but your primary focus should not be your grandchild and instead, supporting the parents and respecting their boundaries. To push back and be obstructive creates mistrust and won't gain you additional access or the relationship with your grandchild that you desire.

Grandparents often want to 'bond' with their grandchildren but initially babies only bond with parents, a baby only realised they are physically separate from their mother after about 9 months of age. There is definitely a place for grandparent/grandchild bonding but that comes a bit later, not in infancy. Babies look for their mothers smell as a source of comfort and safety so that should be supported, not seen as a personal attack because you want to hold baby more.

Being a grandparent is a privilege and you have the potential to build an amazing relationship with your grandchild - instead of focusing on your hurt, focus on what is best for baby at this developmental stage (actually research it) and also what is best for the new parents.

There's a good article that you should read...

www.scarymommy.com/hold-boundaries-babys-grandparents

madeleine45 Mon 06-Nov-23 23:01:40

I can understand that you feel hurt and wish that things were different, but if you try to push your wishes in front of the parents, you are only likely to get even less contact , or very rigid rules carrying on. They have to find their way of this major change in their lives, and actually the rigid rules speak to me of their uncertaintly as new parents trying to do the best for their child yet feeling vunerable and worried. The internet can be very helpful but also can give them even more things to worry about . Some things that we did not know about in the past meant that we didnt worry about them. With the covid situation and so much changing of rules and also not being sure who or what to believe with this load of idiots who changed the rules as they went along and were not to be trusted. If you see the parents ideas as partly them pulling up a drawbridge and trying to defent their child from all sorts of problems that they know about and the more worrying ones that they dont know about. So even though it is hard, trying not to complain or moan about their behaviour and being more accepting of their rules however stupid or upsetting they seem to you, will pay you dividends in the end. The more they see you fitting in with their ways the more they are likely to relax and be able to allow you to be more involved in the babys life. In the meantime, perhaps you could do a few things for the future. I always got 2 papers of the day the baby was born. Or in actual fact 4 papers. I got a broadsheet so The independant or Guardian or Yorkshire Post, and the local paper which in this area was the Darlington and Stockton times. So one set are given to the parents now and the other set are kept carefully to be produced at the 18th birthday party. I have been to several 18th, where they have enjoyed seeing what happened on the day they were born, had a few laughs at how things had changed and enjoyed seeing what was still around locally. You could also perhaps think of making a family tree. This would give you an interest that may lead you to interesting discoveries about your families history. But it may also be a great time to have a go at something you have wanted to do in the past but not had the time when you family was growing up. This is not meant to be instead of being with your grandaughter , but having your own life and interests will help you not to dwell on what you feel is missing, may lead you to new friendships and you will be a more interesting granny as she grows and you are more likely to have more contact with her. You never know what the future brings, but making your own life as interesting as possible will make you a happier and more relaxed person and hopefully this will show and they will feel more relaxed with you in the future. wishing you the best of luck

Skye17 Mon 06-Nov-23 22:20:01

twiglet77

I expect the new parents will relax in time OP. It won’t affect your future relationship with your granddaughter, bonding with a grandparent is not at all like bonding with her parents. Try to step back and let them enjoy all the early time with the little one, it flies, and they’ll welcome your presence in her life soon enough. There’s no point fretting over how different things were when you had your son, this is their time and you have to let them navigate it their way.

Treasure the photos meanwhile, and be ready to play when they’re ready to share their time with her!

My elder DD had a bad start with a premature baby so her paranoia was quite understandable. Seven years later she’s now a single parent and heavily reliant on me helping with my fabulous eldest grandchild.

My younger DD was rigid about no kissing, no touching baby’s hands or face, having me sit down while she placed baby in my arms… with the first one. When her second arrived a year later she’s completely different. I see them only every few months due to distance but at 2 1/2 and 14 months, the children know exactly who I am and we have a wonderful relationship - now when they need a babysitter it’s never a problem for me to look after them either at my house or theirs.

Let it develop without pressure, be happy they are doing their best, their way.

I agree with this and all the similar comments. It does sound disappointing, but the new parents are likely to relax in time. I’d just go along with what they say and offer help with housework. Things are likely to change.