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Need Wisdom Regarding Time with Grandbaby

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LovingGiGi Fri 03-Nov-23 21:00:46

I am so incredibly hurt. For years my son lovingly teased me about becoming a grandparent and indicated he was eager to see me in that role. Then his wife became pregnant. We live 20 minutes away from one another, A week before baby's birth my husband and I were given the rules:

1.) We could not even see the baby for the first week as my son and his wife needed "time to bond" with the baby. My son used my husband and me as an example: no family saw him the first week after his birth. I pointed out that my family lived in another state and would be coming for his baptism 10 days later. It was too hard for them to come twice in less than two weeks. If they had lived in town, they would have seen him multiple times in the first week.

2.) No kissing baby - not even on the top of the head or on her toes. Hmm... If they wanted to use my experience as an excuse for their rules, as in rule number one, kissing by family members would not be denied. But my son chose to pick and choose my experiences with him as an excuse for their rules.

3.) No overnights. What the heck?? I never asked for overnights. I did mention I could get a free pack-n-play for baby to sleep in when they visit, but I was referring to napping or sleeping in if parents went out for a date and came home late to pick her up and she needed a spot to snooze.

After baby was born, my son and his wife, who had an emergency c-section, had two weeks of food delivery lined up from various people. The people were only allowed to drop off food to my son in the parking lot of their apartment building. I had no problem with people dropping off food, BUT if my son wanted to use my experience of first-time parenthood as justification for his rules, then no one would bring him food because no one brought us food after he was born. I also had an emergency c-section.

I brought my son and his wife a meal when my grandbaby was six days old. Because she was not yet a week old, I could not come up to the apartment. I was, though, "allowed" to "see" my first grandbaby from the balcony of the apartment building they live in and "wave" at her. I felt like I was going to a nursing care facility to wave to an ill super elderly person from a window outside during the pandemic. I hated it. It felt like waving a chocolate candy bar in front of a starving child and saying, "Look, but don't touch. Now, isn't that amazing?" I could not even see the baby. I didn't want to wave at the crown of an infant head. I wanted to "taste" my grandbaby's goodness by holding her and touching her. It was like salt in an open wound.

Finally, the day arrived when my husband and I could actually visit. When we arrived, baby was in the living room in her bassinet. We were not allowed to pick her up out of it. We had to sit on the couch and have her handed to us. She was bundled in a swaddle, and we could not see anything but her face. We were not allowed to touch her skin at all. When I went to pass baby to her Papa (my husband) sitting next to me, my son insisted that he be the one to pass the baby. I felt like I was being treated like a young child and not a grandmother who raised her own children.

When I later expressed how hurtful all this was, my son got upset with me saying that she is his and his wife's child and not mine and I do not get to make the rules. But that is all I was given: rule after rule after rule, and not anything I CAN do as a grandmother.

My grandbaby is now 4 months old, and I have held her an average of 10 minutes a month. I have never babysat her, played with her, read a book to her, sang a lullaby to her, given her a bottle, changed her diapers, pushed her in her stroller, or done anything grandmas do with grandbabies, especially kissed her.

What I have done is cried and cried and cried. I cannot understand why my son who was super affectionate towards me, even when he was in college, is now distancing himself from me and, more hurtful, keeping my grandbaby at an arms-length, saying this is how his generation operates. I am scared. Will it always be this way with her? Will I never have a true relationship with her? I literally feel like there is a knife piercing my heart.

In addition to keeping the baby at arms-length, it seems that rather than listening and learning from one another and across generations, my son and his wife are rejecting everything my generation believes about family, and acting as if my generation has nothing of value to offer the generations behind us because we are not as smart as they are: they can just go online and read stuff from people who are smarter than we are. Their baby must at all costs be protected from us. That is very hurtful. I don't understand it.

Please, I would love any insight and wisdom others can give me on this issue. I need to get my head on straight about this as the hurt is so deep. I just want to love on my grandbaby in real life - not by seeing pictures of her posted online.

welbeck Fri 03-Nov-23 21:17:01

i suggest you have a read of MN

Debs8 Fri 03-Nov-23 21:28:36

welbeck I’m new to the forum. What is MN?

Grammaretto Fri 03-Nov-23 21:30:27

I read your heartfelt story lovingGiGi

It does seem as though your DS and his DW have rejected everything you have experienced and denies your wisdom
Is your DH as puzzled as you are? Is he the father of DS?

I know some here will agree with your DS and say she is not your baby and that they make the rules but these rules are extreme.
I think you must be patient and try not to let this upset you. Don't despair.

Is DS your only child? He sounds insecure . Are they worried you will try to take over?

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 03-Nov-23 21:30:50

Their baby, not yours. Their rules.

Redrobin51 Fri 03-Nov-23 21:36:24

It's Mumsnet.x

Farmor15 Fri 03-Nov-23 21:45:54

Debs8 MN is Mumsnet - a forum similar to this but mostly used by parents, ŕather than grandparents. There you'll find other parents who lay down strict rules for grandparents, so your son and his wife are not that unusual.

New parents are often very protective but tend to relax a bit more as the child gets older. You need to be patient and find something else to distract you in the meantime.

MaizieD Fri 03-Nov-23 22:05:53

I realise that this is really, really hard for you to cope with just now, but, if things become more relaxed in the future just remember that your granddaughter will have absolutely no memory at all of the first few months of her life and the restrictions on contact, and will be able to form a loving relationship with you.

Also, whether justified or not, a daughter in law will probably not have the same confidence in her in laws that she would in her own parents. So she may be more rigid about 'rules' with you than with them.

MaizieD Fri 03-Nov-23 22:12:13

P.S. Because of our family circumstances I only ever saw my paternal grandfather 3 or 4 times a year (my maternal gmother died when I was 3) , but I loved him just as much as I did my other grandparents who lived much nearer to us and who I saw far more frequently. It's quality of contact, not quantity, that matters in the end.

ClassicFacet Fri 03-Nov-23 22:27:39

This too shall pass OP. It seems to be the modern way and it's pretty ridiculous if you ask me, but all you can do is play along.

Joseann Fri 03-Nov-23 22:34:08

Tread carefully, and keep the lines of communication open. I can see it must be heartbreaking for you, but just go along with it and hope things will change for the better.

Shelflife Fri 03-Nov-23 22:40:43

Strict rules indeed, and I do find it odd. Perhaps they feel if they give you an inch you will take a mile!? My children are only too pleased for me to care for their children. Although I recognize that things may be very different with a DIL. Hang in there and the situation may improve, having said that I would have been very upset and cross if my AC had behaved that way. It would seem that MN has evidence of parents laying down strict rules for GPs. Will these parents be quite so firm when they need to go back to work or their child is sick and they have to work ? They can't have it both ways ! If they alienate GPs now they may regret it in the future when GPs lay down their own rules about when and how often they are able to care for their GC. Their rules they make initially could well backfire in the future -

Susanna32321 Fri 03-Nov-23 23:30:15

I have never come across so much nonsense. I feel sorry for you and your husband to be treated like you described. Your son and his partner are depriving their baby girl of the love grandparents can give.
I have a 6 month old grandson and he gets smothered with kisses. You can’t help but kiss him.

Theexwife Fri 03-Nov-23 23:32:36

It seems quite common now that new parents follow these rules, it must be on a site about parents of new babies.

The list of rules all sound the same, as does the not touching or kissing.

Your only hope is that in time they will relax and stop living by the advice they are getting.

Try to do exactly what is asked of you and maybe you will be trusted more in the future.

I really feel for you, it must be awful.

Hithere Sat 04-Nov-23 00:10:21

"I have never babysat her, played with her, read a book to her, sang a lullaby to her, given her a bottle, changed her diapers, pushed her in her stroller, or done anything grandmas do with grandbabies, especially kissed her."

Why would you change her diaper? Give her a bottle, push her stroller?
Those are usually parents' tasks

Bonding just parents and baby after birth without interferences is not unusual at all

She is only 4 months old! There will be plenty of time to play with her, read her books

There is no universal grandparent definition, it is subjective to how the parents of the child wish to raise their baby and how others fit in

Another misconception I read is your clinging to a promise of your son when he was in college.

He is now older and he clearly has different ideas, as well as the mother of the child

Drop your expectations and let this relationship grow organically.

Redhead56 Sat 04-Nov-23 00:29:37

I helped with my GC for over two and half years changing nappies bottle feeding etc it is normal practice. It’s about trust not expectations and having a good relationship with the new parents.

MayBee70 Sat 04-Nov-23 00:35:46

Maybe there’s something wrong with me but I never wanted to kiss my grandchildren when they were babies ( I do worry about cold sores: do get them occasionally) and never had any desire to change their nappies. I had a list of rules with the first grandchild which made me feel very excluded but things were much more relaxed when the second child was born. I didn’t really want anyone taking my babies out without me.

biglouis Sat 04-Nov-23 01:06:30

Yes things do change. I can recall in my early 30s going to a christening where the poor child was passed around the room like a "passing a parcel" game. A whole lot of strangers drooling and cooing. I was castigated because I quickly passed him to the next woman inline. In fact I was still recoving from a cold and did not want to risk passing it onto a tiny baby. Another time one of my neighbours told me off because I had not called to "see" her baby. Such melodrama,

LovingGiGi Sat 04-Nov-23 01:56:29

My husband is his father. He would like to see more of the grandbaby. He is my older of two sons. My greatest fear has been that having no daughters I will have less relationship with my grandchildren because I am on the paternal side, which with my first baby is proving to be true. At my granddaughter's baptism the grandma on the other side had access to the baby. I sat at the other end of the church pew and held her for 10 minutes at our home. I understand their baby their rules, but this was such an about face from how my son acted prior to a week before the birth, and having so little interaction is hurtful. I do intend to abide by their rules and after expressing my feelings to them initially, I have only been positive towards them and my gra

LovingGiGi Sat 04-Nov-23 01:59:51

Sorry. I bumped the keyboard wrong and posted the message accidentally. I tried to say that after initially expressing disappointment, I have been only positive and encouraging to them and my granddaughter as I want to respect them and not come off as if I am manipulating them with my emotions.

LovingGiGi Sat 04-Nov-23 02:32:20

I am hurt because I have had a good relationship with my son and d=i-l and this came out of nowhere. For 2-3 years prior to her birth my son talked about me being a grandma in a very sweet manner and with a smile on his face. I even apologized for my initial expression of disappointment of the boundaries and told my son that I respect him and his wife as the parents who set the boundaries. I have since looked for opportunities to give meaningful and sincere compliments about baby and their parenting. They are great parents and I have told them that. I have gone out of the way to demonstrate health and safety behaviors around them and baby, such as washing my hands before holding baby. I am so hurt because this has been so unexpected because we live nearby and yet I have so little time with baby - even with one or both parents present. I am, after all, Grandma, not someone with a more distant relationship. I want to read to her, play with her, and sing to her, not just see short videos online and hold her for 10 minutes a month.

LovingGiGi Sat 04-Nov-23 02:48:50

To those saying I must abide by their rule, I agree. I have no intention of taking over. I want to be Gigi - not Mommy. I just want time and interaction with grandbaby. I would be delighted to have my son and his wife present. I love them too. I know that their roles have changed and so have ours with the addition of baby, but prior to her birth we had game nights filled with laughter, food, and fun. I miss my relationship with them and want a relationship with her. I miss game nights, but do not expect those right now as they have to stick to a baby's schedule. I just want time with time with baby and I want to interact with her. I want to be Gigi.

LovingGiGi Sat 04-Nov-23 03:11:31

@Hither, my son made no promise in college. We just had a close relationship. I was trying to explain that between how close we have been and his more recent indication that he thought I would be a good grandma, I was taken by surprise at how little they allow me to interact with my grandbaby now that she is here. I even had a good relationship with my d-i-l. I do not want an enmeshed relationship. They are adults and parents. But neither do I want a distant relationship and little time with my grandchildren. I want a close relationship with my family, but one in which each person is independent and allowed our own lives and have ways of doing things. But it is hurtful that at this time their way of doing things is relational distance. I suppose maybe they are just trying to figure out who they are as parents, but waiting for them to relax means having little time with my granddaughter while she is a baby - time I will never get back. 2-3 hours together every 1-2 weeks and giving me the opportunity to interact more (not take over) with my granddaughter during that time, and then actually calling or messaging me when she does something funny, new, or extra sweet rather than me having to find it out about it on social media, would be enough for me. Relationships are developed and strengthened by interactions. I am hurt that we do not have much interaction right now.

Grams2five Sat 04-Nov-23 04:36:15

@lovinggigi you say “time you will never get back” in regard to your desire to spend more time doing things with and being with “your grandbaby”. Does it not occur to you that it’s slow time they will never get back? With their child? Of course you love your granddaughter , but it is their child. Are some of their rules a little rigid ? Perhaps but it’s really not our call. Feeding their baby, changing , walks
In strollers are all things for babies parents. Four months ? You’re upset you’ve not been asked to babysit at four months ? Parents these days don’t drop their babies off at those ages and good for them. You have. A lifetime to build a relationship with your grandchildren but right now, she’s an infant with two loving parents , by your own admission , and that’s all
She needs

sodapop Sat 04-Nov-23 09:02:10

It all does seem rather extreme LovingGiGi but not unusual from what I have read and heard. I think Covid has made people overly anxious and new parents are struggling to do what they think is best for their child.
The baby is only four months old so plenty of time to get to know them, lower your expectations and support your family where you can. Hopefully the parents will relax more as the child grows up.