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DIL posh family - advice needed

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Silverberry Thu 28-Dec-23 17:08:21

Just wanted some advice. I have one DS who is married with children. Whilst we are comfortable, my DIL comes from a much richer and more upper class family. My son is incredibly bright, going to Oxford and has a really well paid good career. He married a lovely girl who he met there who is always very polite and welcoming but there has always been an undercurrent of knowing that we are not the normal type of people she is used to. She isn’t snobby or rude and is welcoming but it’s just an unacknowledged obvious thing.

Her family are much richer then ours, her father is incredibly successful (they own 5 houses) and are obviously very generous with the grandchildren which we are not able to be. They are also very generous with ds/DIL which we can’t be. For example I found out her parents give her £5000 as a gift to buy something nice for Christmas. Again they are never anything but polite to us, but it’s clear that we aren’t their sort of people.

My grandchildren are just so different to us, they have been sent to private school and whilst they do seem to love us, are quite clearly much closer to her family. Over Christmas I used the words settee and lounge and was corrected by my GD, my DIL winced with embarrassment as she obviously wants me to feel welcome but obviously my GC are being taught not to use ‘lower-class’ words like us. Another example is stockings. We still do stockings for our children (2) which are cheap and cheerful, but I recently found out that when my DS has Christmas with his in laws they do him a stocking with really nice presents. Now I feel like it was rude for me not to do one for my DIL, but she wouldn’t want our cheap one anyway. When we’ve bought her presents in the past she’s always been very polite but they don’t get used. For example we bought her a footstool we thought she would like, but DS said we shouldn’t have as she is very into interiors and likes to pick everything herself. I’ve only seen it used once and obviously that was to be polite.

I probably sound jealous and of course it would be nice to have more money, but I think it boils down to knowing in my heart we will never measure up to her family in generosity and that they are already so much closer. It doesn’t help we are the ‘paternal grandparents’.

Am very proud of my DS for moving on up in the world and we have a great relationship, but am I just destined to be a poor relation and is there anything I can do.

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 01-Jan-24 18:41:03

You were not on that thread, as far as I recall, therefore you cannot possibley know what was said.

Exactly the reason why having leant support to your view, I felt the need to be even handed and say we did not know what was written by either of you as, although you had referred to a post from another thread, you had not quoted it. It is not appropriate to blame another poster using "remembered" comments. You really should have either quoted the post or not referred to it at all. As I pointed out, that is why it has always been against the rules.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 01-Jan-24 18:33:56

You shouldn’t have to. I have no difficulty in believing your version of events.

Marydoll Mon 01-Jan-24 18:31:48

Thank you. GSM.

However, why on earth do I have to defend my self against an anonymous poster, with whom I have little or no interaction?
It's all very strange.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 01-Jan-24 17:37:40

I wouldn’t doubt for one moment what you say Marydoll. Many of us have been subjected to personal attacks and we remember exactly what was said, and by whom - though to name them would break guidelines. You are a very intelligent and well-educated lady, able to analyse what was said to you rather than be misled by bias or misunderstanding.

Marydoll Mon 01-Jan-24 17:14:52

POSSIBLY not possibley.

Marydoll Mon 01-Jan-24 17:13:27

It wouldn't be what someone said about themselves, but what they said about others that might lead someone to reach that conclusion..

I found the implication in that comment made about me offensive, Daisy Anne.
You were not on that thread, as far as I recall, therefore you cannot possibley know what was said.
Furthermore I suspect that you deliberately choose to misinterperet what some posters say.
When a poster makes personal attacks, you know they have lost the argument.

...and yes I have pigeon holed you too.

FannyFanackerpan Mon 01-Jan-24 17:00:20

Are you OK DaisyAnnReturns?

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 01-Jan-24 16:49:22

JaneJudge

Most people were just sharing their own experiences which is how these forums work.

The OP pigeon-holed her DIL and family. Someone chose to present their biased view of another's past post. People started picking on words which it's reasonable to assume are not used by all and then more and more it became an attack on certain groups. Maybe that's what you see as "sharing experiences" JaneJudge. That's not how I would describe it.

JaneJudge Mon 01-Jan-24 15:47:47

I suppose I’m in the forcing my opinion on others pigeon hole 😂 nothing could actually be further from the truth. I’m happy to listen to what others have to say, sometimes I will change my mind, sometimes I will just have a better understanding of why people feel differently to me. If I challenge people on threads it’s for want of a better understanding, not so I can dictate to others.

pascal30 Mon 01-Jan-24 15:43:39

DaisyAnneReturns

JaneJudge

I don’t think oik is a very nice word to call people either

But I notice it's in common enough use for even those who find drawing room "weird" to understand it.

apparently it was a word used at my late husband's Public School to describe scolarship boys.. so not nice I agree JJ

JaneJudge Mon 01-Jan-24 15:43:16

Most people were just sharing their own experiences which is how these forums work.

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 01-Jan-24 14:43:46

Or people could avoid pigeon holes entirely.

That would certainly be a win. Until such time I might just continue to let those who do it, oh so often, (even making new ones up) find they too can be pigeon-holed.

Grandma70s Mon 01-Jan-24 14:41:51

There seems to be a confusion here about being ‘posh’ ( or U, or whatever you like to call it) and having money. They aren’t closely connected. People with lots of money can be very un-posh, and people with little money can be ‘posh’. It’s more about education, speech, background and values than about money.

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 01-Jan-24 14:36:09

JaneJudge

I don’t think oik is a very nice word to call people either

But I notice it's in common enough use for even those who find drawing room "weird" to understand it.

Norah Mon 01-Jan-24 14:26:09

Sago

Germanshepherdsmum

Perhaps not using the word ‘posh’ would be good.

👏👏👏👏.

It’s a dreadful word, I would like to put posh and common into room 101.

Agreed, better descriptors are available.

Or people could avoid pigeon holes entirely.

I'm not able to discern who has a pot of money, I'm not their accountant, they may have debt, high expenses and needs. Silly worry, imo.

JaneJudge Mon 01-Jan-24 14:22:16

I don’t think oik is a very nice word to call people either

Norah Mon 01-Jan-24 14:19:10

MerylStreep

DaisyAnneReturns

Your opinion JaneJudge. Are you insisting we all share yours?

And another Fun Sponge posting.

Useful term. smile

Sago Mon 01-Jan-24 14:15:54

Germanshepherdsmum

Perhaps not using the word ‘posh’ would be good.

👏👏👏👏.

It’s a dreadful word, I would like to put posh and common into room 101.

M0nica Mon 01-Jan-24 14:11:46

Gloryanny Scott Fitzgerald is supposed to have said once to Ernest Hemingway, 'You know, the rich are different from you and me. ' Hemingway replied, 'Yes. They've got more money.'

Oscar Wilde had Lord Darlington quip that a cynic was 'a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

In the first, this applies wherever there is a disparity in income, say someone on benefits and someone on the average wage.

In the second, this was written by a man to be said by a man about a group of other men, no women involved at all.

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 01-Jan-24 14:08:45

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Marydoll Mon 01-Jan-24 13:48:24

I had to look up that term. I may use it in the future. 😉

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 01-Jan-24 13:46:24

Germanshepherdsmum

Perhaps not using the word ‘posh’ would be good.

Indeed GSM.

SporeRB Mon 01-Jan-24 13:40:52

DaisyAnneReturns

But if one exists in your home what else would you call it? You seem to just want to insult people who have large homes - I have never come across anyone calling their only reception room a "drawing room". From here this just looks like one very large emotional chip on your shoulder.

Perhaps you can give us an alternative name for a drawing room that is a drawing room.

This one makes me chuckle. As far as I know, Joseann herself is very wealthy and very posh, so why on earth would she insult people who have large homes?

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 01-Jan-24 13:26:50

Indeed. What a great start to the year.

Juliet27 Mon 01-Jan-24 13:24:29

I had to Google Funsponge but yes, what an appropriate word.