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DIL posh family - advice needed

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Silverberry Thu 28-Dec-23 17:08:21

Just wanted some advice. I have one DS who is married with children. Whilst we are comfortable, my DIL comes from a much richer and more upper class family. My son is incredibly bright, going to Oxford and has a really well paid good career. He married a lovely girl who he met there who is always very polite and welcoming but there has always been an undercurrent of knowing that we are not the normal type of people she is used to. She isn’t snobby or rude and is welcoming but it’s just an unacknowledged obvious thing.

Her family are much richer then ours, her father is incredibly successful (they own 5 houses) and are obviously very generous with the grandchildren which we are not able to be. They are also very generous with ds/DIL which we can’t be. For example I found out her parents give her £5000 as a gift to buy something nice for Christmas. Again they are never anything but polite to us, but it’s clear that we aren’t their sort of people.

My grandchildren are just so different to us, they have been sent to private school and whilst they do seem to love us, are quite clearly much closer to her family. Over Christmas I used the words settee and lounge and was corrected by my GD, my DIL winced with embarrassment as she obviously wants me to feel welcome but obviously my GC are being taught not to use ‘lower-class’ words like us. Another example is stockings. We still do stockings for our children (2) which are cheap and cheerful, but I recently found out that when my DS has Christmas with his in laws they do him a stocking with really nice presents. Now I feel like it was rude for me not to do one for my DIL, but she wouldn’t want our cheap one anyway. When we’ve bought her presents in the past she’s always been very polite but they don’t get used. For example we bought her a footstool we thought she would like, but DS said we shouldn’t have as she is very into interiors and likes to pick everything herself. I’ve only seen it used once and obviously that was to be polite.

I probably sound jealous and of course it would be nice to have more money, but I think it boils down to knowing in my heart we will never measure up to her family in generosity and that they are already so much closer. It doesn’t help we are the ‘paternal grandparents’.

Am very proud of my DS for moving on up in the world and we have a great relationship, but am I just destined to be a poor relation and is there anything I can do.

DaisyAnneReturns Tue 02-Jan-24 11:19:19

Daisy Anne has accused me of all sorts of nonsense MayDoll

No, I haven't.

You objected to my initial post, but I wonder if you actually read it.

My first line was a modified agreement.

Education can indeed change circumstances Marydoll but you are still the same person.

Please tell me what the problem is with that. I agreed with you.

The second sentence was Your "deprived background" and your description of it would not make you an inverted snob* Again, I agree with what you told us.

The * related to the definition of "inverted snob", to which I added ^It wouldn't be what someone said about themselves, but what they said about others that might lead someone to reach that conclusion Again a definition with no suggestion that is what you did. Simply saying that is when a description of the past becomes inverted snobbery.

That's it! That's all I said in my first post. You then said you didn't understand what I meant (?)

The conversation went off on to several people offering belittling comments about napkins and drawing rooms, etc.

M0nica suggested It is usually poorer people who get all embarrassed around richer people and decide unilaterally and without aany evidence that the wealthier person is looking down on them.

No one objected.

I suggest, in a general reply about "drawing-room", that ... this just looks like one very large emotional chip on your shoulder.
This was after a post from Joseann saying
There is nothing wrong with the word. It's weird in the sense that it is unusual and out of the ordinary these days, even for posh people!

You replied: This all getting a bit silly and personal D,A. You appear to have misinterpretated what some of us have posted.

As if the petty conversations about napkins and drawing rooms were not, already, silly and intended to be personal. Or are you saying that wasn't the posters intention?

As you had said you didn't understand my post - which I read as being upset I had not given you the support you desired, I explained about only hearing one side and feeling that, in that case, it was wrong to assume anything.

And since then every one of your so-called "friends" has done you no favours (although you seem pleased) by continuing to tell me what to think and what to say and prolonging the agony of this thread.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 02-Jan-24 11:33:24

Marydoll’s friends here are genuine, not ‘so called “friends “‘. They have shown her support in the face of an unwarranted attack on her integrity. Why on earth must you continue this? However long does it take you to pick through the bones of pages of posts to post yet again in an attempt to justify yourself? Has anyone shown you one iota of support? Marydoll’s friends are interested only in supporting her - some of us know exactly how it feels to be singled out for your attack du jour.

Sago Tue 02-Jan-24 11:35:50

PamelaJ1

I expect the OP has given up but just in case….. my mum and dad had a Lancashire accent, I grew up elsewhere so and then have lived all over the U.K. so never picked up an accent from any particular area. So I sound posh. I am certainly not any posher than my sister who lives in Lancashire so says bath whilst I say baaath.
I shouldn’t think it’s an issue with your DinL, if your grandchildren are used to using the word sofa then it’s not surprising that she picked up on it, she didn’t mean anything by it.
We helped our DD and SinL to buy a house whilst his parents couldn’t contribute. We certainly didn’t think any less of them.
I hope they didn’t think we did.
Just relax and be yourself. They love you.

The word POSH is dreadful, is it complimentary or derogatory?
Why not well spoken, affluent, privileged, cultured?
Please posters before typing this hideous word think of an alternative!

DaisyAnneReturns Tue 02-Jan-24 11:46:49

You're a solicitor Germanshepherdsmum albeit not in this area. Where exactly have I attacked Marydoll. Not where you chose to think I have, but where have my words attacked her?

pascal30 Tue 02-Jan-24 11:52:12

daisyannereturns... I think you are just hurting yourself by continuing this discussion... it's not worth it..

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 02-Jan-24 12:04:56

I am no longer a solicitor DAR. I am a retired solicitor. I am not going to engage with you. It is futile.

Baggs Tue 02-Jan-24 12:39:38

The word posh is not dreadful. This is my new posh china tea cup. There is nothing dreadul about it being called posh. I could use other words but why when posh describes it exactly, especially when it's compared to what we were drinking china tea from before, which vessels were completely adequate but definitely not posh.

Even when posh is used as a slur, it's not the word that is the problem.

DaisyAnneReturns Tue 02-Jan-24 12:49:29

Germanshepherdsmum

I am no longer a solicitor DAR. I am a retired solicitor. I am not going to engage with you. It is futile.

It is, because I didn't Germanshepherdsmum. Your answer comes as no suprise.

DaisyAnneReturns Tue 02-Jan-24 12:54:54

Thank you for you thoughtful words pascal. I think the pursuit of justice is always worth the effort. But the pursuit of lunch is going to override it for a while. wink

DaisyAnneReturns Tue 02-Jan-24 12:56:49

Baggs that's beautifull. Whose design is it?

Sago Tue 02-Jan-24 13:09:12

Baggs

The word posh is not dreadful. This is my new posh china tea cup. There is nothing dreadul about it being called posh. I could use other words but why when posh describes it exactly, especially when it's compared to what we were drinking china tea from before, which vessels were completely adequate but definitely not posh.

Even when posh is used as a slur, it's not the word that is the problem.

Baggs I love a good tea cup and yours is beautiful, exquisite, fine, gorgeous, quality, pretty, elegant, stylish, luxurious and I could go on.

Doodledog Tue 02-Jan-24 13:12:33

Is it Japanese, Baggs? It’s gorgeous.

Iam64 Tue 02-Jan-24 13:13:21

Well ….. I read the OP and my initial reaction was to decide it seemed unlikely to be genuine. I’ve had a long walk and decided to catch up.
Marydoll - I’m amazed at the persistent attacks and goady responses to those posters who have supported you. The constant refrain from DAR that what she calls the ‘attacks’ from her would stop if only everyone else refrained from commenting.
This has to be one of the most peculiar outbreaks of hostility I’ve seen on gransnet.

Chin up Marydoll

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 02-Jan-24 13:18:41

👏👏👏

MissInterpreted Tue 02-Jan-24 13:43:21

This thread (or rather, the way in which it has been hijacked) is a perfect illustration of why some posters feel they have been forced out of GN as a result of the hostility to which they have been subjected by one particular member. And it's pointless reporting said person to GN as no action is ever taken.

DaisyAnneReturns Tue 02-Jan-24 13:49:04

Really Iam? You feel I should be content to let these people, who can't explain where I "attacked" Marydoll, as they call it, descend on me as they have - and now you want to start the whole thing again?

So you tell me what I said that was an attack on her. Marydoll took umbridge simply because I was less fulsome with my sympathy than she required and more sympathetic with the member she accused than she wanted to hear.

Now is anyone else wanting to put the knife in? I will be around for a while.

DaisyAnneReturns Tue 02-Jan-24 13:56:54

So you are now seven or eight, MissInterpreted accusing one person of "attacking" another who herself said she didn't understand a fairly simple post.

Who is being driven out? The eight or the one? Reading your post seems like a direct attempt to do just that. This is an excellent example of group bullying.

I did not say anything to Marydoll that was an attack. If you think I did, quote it.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 02-Jan-24 14:04:45

MissInterpreted

This thread (or rather, the way in which it has been hijacked) is a perfect illustration of why some posters feel they have been forced out of GN as a result of the hostility to which they have been subjected by one particular member. And it's pointless reporting said person to GN as no action is ever taken.

I agree.

RosiesMaw Tue 02-Jan-24 14:06:21

You know how the newspapers have a “silly season” in August on the assumption that everybody is on holiday and there’s no “real news” ?
This must be Gransnet’s “silly season” as I have rarely seen such a motley collection of weird threads, lost plots and terriers at rabbit holes.

I can think of couple of appropriate NY resolutions …..

Norah Tue 02-Jan-24 14:10:36

👏👏

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 02-Jan-24 14:10:59

I know you attacked Marydoll, DAR, but I am not so foolish as to be goaded into quoting. Do not consider my refusal to engage as assent. It is not.

Judy54 Tue 02-Jan-24 14:12:07

No one wants to put the knife in, no one wants to hurt you. The only person you are hurting is yourself please show some respect and you will get it in return. Continually lashing out in anger is self destroying. Be the bigger and better person and walk away. Silence says a thousand words.

kittylester Tue 02-Jan-24 14:14:58

I have reported this thread.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 02-Jan-24 14:17:42

You’re not alone kitty.

DaisyAnneReturns Tue 02-Jan-24 14:18:54

kittylester

I have reported this thread.

Good idea kitty.