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Susie1183 Mon 22-Dec-25 06:18:11

Sorry, this is a long post.

We have 9 grandchildren ( 3 children each with 3 children). Our daughter lives very close to us and works full time. I look after the children 3 days a week. I have the 2 year old all day and collect the 3 and 6 year olds from school and nursery and give them all dinner. Depending on what time their mum finishes work I sometimes bath them and get them ready for bed. We also often have them when our daughter and her husband go out or go away for a few days. I don’t get paid to look after them and I buy all the food, nappies etc myself. It’s very hard work but I love the children and I want to help our daughter.

A few times since she had the children our daughter has said that when the children are naughty she says things like ‘if you do that you can’t go to grandma’s’. This then seemed to expand to ‘don’t do that Grandma will be cross’. Sometimes when she is really struggling she has called me to moan about them and has said she had told them she is phoning grandma to say they are being naughty. In recent weeks she often says when she is with us and disciplining them that ‘you will upset grandma’.

In actual fact I don’t really get cross and am always kind and fair. I’m more likely to distract a child and recognise tiredness and hunger than to raise my voice. The only time I do raise my voice is when they run away outside because I am scared they will get hurt or when they take their arms out of car seat straps (which they increasingly do). On those occasions I stop the car, put the straps back on, and tell them firmly not to do it.

My issue is that in recent months the 3 year old has seemed to become scared of me. If either his mum or grandad are around he won’t let me put his shoes or coat on or take him to the toilet. He won’t hold my hand outside and screams and pulls away from me. When we are alone he will let me do those things although he won’t hold my hand, he will hold onto the pushchair. He will come to me to read stories and to ask me to draw things. He will happily make things with me ( we often bake or do craft activities ) and when he is hurt he will want me to cuddle him. But only when we are alone. If anyone else is there he behaves as if I am a monster.

I have never hurt him, I have never been rough with him, I am not abrupt or shouty. I’m a very quiet person. I have worried and cried and thought carefully about everything I have ever done and I honestly don’t think I have done anything.
I suspect that our daughter has pushed the idea that I will be cross to the extent that he is now associating me with being cross.

I should add that our daughter is generally very stressed. She is the main breadwinner, money is tight, she argues a lot with her husband (often calling me in the middle of an argument) and I think she probably gets very cross with the children. Sometimes when she calls everybody is screaming. I don’t think anyone is in any danger, I just think there is a lot of stress.

What can I do? As well as being worried about the situation at my daughter’s home I am miserable about my relationship with my grandson. I tell him I love him, I praise him when he’s good, I take him out to the park, I read to him, I do everything I can, and then I’m the one he seems to hate. I have tried talking about this to my daughter but she just shuts me down. I think she is so stressed that she doesn’t care what’s happening for me or got my grandson. I’m worried about him and what is going on in his little head.

Quercus Mon 22-Dec-25 07:41:08

I think you need to confront her with what she is doing and stop engaging at all with any of the 'Grandma will be cross..' stuff, or simply tell her you can no longer do childcare as you have become the 'wicked witch' .........(you don't have to mean it, but such a stance might wake your DD up to what she is doing to the relationship between you and your GC).
BTW personally I think it is unwise to do so much for one of your DC and GC but not the others.

MartavTaurus Mon 22-Dec-25 07:47:32

I'm sorry this is affecting you so much.

But I'd refrain from referring to yourself as a monster or a wicked witch because you're making yourself out to be ten times worse.

Grandmabatty Mon 22-Dec-25 09:05:52

Small children often change allegiance in a blink of an eye. Carry on behaving normally with him. However I think you have to tell your daughter not to use you as a threat

Lathyrus3 Mon 22-Dec-25 09:29:25

I can’t comment on most of your post really, but I will say that none of the things you’ve said about three-year old behaviour are unusual. Not letting you help with clothes or the toilet and not wanting to hold your hand is totally normal independent development. So I think you’re reading way too much into that.

I’d point out to her that her threats if Grandma aren’t kind and that you want her to stop. But again, parents struggling for control have relied on higher authorities since time began.
“Wait till your father gets home’
“The policeman will come”
“I’ll tell your teacher”

Your daughter is stressed but you sound very stressed too. I think it’s time for an honest conversation here and maybe some changes - especially in the way you see yourself🙂

Yoginimeisje Mon 22-Dec-25 09:33:16

Susie Have you heard the saying you always hurt the one you love ? He knows you love him so feels safe in rebuffing you sometimes. I think it's he's age too. But you are right in stopping this line of nannie will be cross narrative and asking your DD to do the same. You are doing a great job with your GC, making lots of happy memories, it must be very hard work for you, but it's not for long, soon the little one will go to nursery school and then onto infant school, then it will all be over and you'll get lots of free time for yourself. Well done on all you do to help your DD & GC.

Luckygirl3 Mon 22-Dec-25 09:43:51

It is very concerning that your DD involves you in her arguments with her partner by ringing you ... that is not a healthy situation.
And you are doing too much really from your description.
I think you do need to be clear with her that she is compromising your role with the children by saying the things she does and that if it does not stop you will find it hard to carry on. She needs you .....
Poor little lad is clearly confused by the rows at home and the things she says about you. Just continue to be gentle and kind with him .... like a rock he can cling to.
But your DD must simply be told not to do this. She will not stop you seeing the children ... she needs you too much.
Well done for giving so much to your DGC.

Lahlah65 Tue 23-Dec-25 14:33:08

‘My issue is that in recent months the 3 year old has seemed to become scared of me. If either his mum or grandad are around he won’t let me put his shoes or coat on or take him to the toilet. He won’t hold my hand outside and screams and pulls away from me. When we are alone he will let me do those things although he won’t hold my hand, he will hold onto the pushchair. He will come to me to read stories and to ask me to draw things. He will happily make things with me ( we often bake or do craft activities ) and when he is hurt he will want me to cuddle him. But only when we are alone. If anyone else is there he behaves as if I am a monster.’

I have exactly the same issue with (step) DGS (3). I am trying to accept that although he likes me and is often affectionate towards me,I am just not his favourite person. I think it’s just a personality thing, and I don’t think you should be too hurt by it.

Essexgirl145 Tue 23-Dec-25 14:47:55

Why would you be buying nappies at three years old?.

Grandmotherto8 Tue 23-Dec-25 14:54:18

It sounds to me as if your daughter is jealous of your relationship with her children. She may not be able to spend quality time with them, as you very generously do. Inadvertently she may be using you as a disciplinary 'ogre' to try to get her children to behave. This is unfair and you need to quietly tell her it must not continue. You are worth a lot of childcare fees to your daughter, hundreds of pounds a month,without the food & other costs that you clearly enjoy providing. She is taking advantage of you, another daughter would willingly pay you as a cherished carer in preference to a nursery or childminder. At the very least she should pay for the food and then gift you a big present a few times a year. This would demonstrate how much you are worth to her and give you tangible proof. Instead she is using you and this is hurtful. Talk to her after Christmas, be firm, tell her it must not continue or your arrangement will end. You are being cast as the wicked witch while the reverse is true.

Allira Tue 23-Dec-25 15:42:12

I agree with what Lathyrus has said
I will say that none of the things you’ve said about three-year old behaviour are unusual. Not letting you help with clothes or the toilet and not wanting to hold your hand is totally normal independent development. So I think you’re reading way too much into that.

and will add:

They are not called The Thunderous Threes for nothing! Three year olds are trying assert their independence and their meltdowns can be more spectacular than those Terrible Twos tantrums.

He may well behave like this with you because he trusts you and know you still love him whatever.

However, your daughter needs to be told (perhaps by your DH) not to keep using Grandma as a threat. She also sounds extremely stressed but she and her DH need to sort this out for themselves.

You do a lot, and must get quite exhausted. Can they employ some after-school help for the older ones?

sazz1 Tue 23-Dec-25 15:46:03

I get this to a lesser degree from my daughter. Eg. granddaughter wanted to ride a bike home from school in the dark with no lights. Told mum she would do it anyway! I rang her and she politely told me it was safe in the locked school compound and she was on the bus stop. I said she was very sensible, as mum was worried she'd get arrested by police with no lights. Probably not exactly true at 11yrs, although they may have taken her home - that's if an officer was anywhere to be seen they're quite rare these days. It worked she doesn't ride in the dark anymore.

Frogs Tue 23-Dec-25 15:47:49

Essexgirl145

Why would you be buying nappies at three years old?.

It’s a different debate but my youngest grandson wasn’t toilet trained til he was 3 years 7 months, It was none of my business so I said nothing.
I was starting to think he was going to be one of those children you hear about who start school in nappies as he has a July birthday but thankfully he was out of them with no accidents by the time he started this September.
He was a day nursery three days a week - they didn’t say anything either so they obviously dont think its that unusual.

Allira Tue 23-Dec-25 15:49:47

Our older DD used to take her arms out of her car seat straps but I thought they must have improved since then. She thought it was great fun!

If not, this might help ask your DD and SIL

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4allweknow Tue 23-Dec-25 15:51:07

As Grandmotherto8 posted, and your DD is not willing to be the parent and deal with the children's behaviour, snd is using you as a threat. You have to tell her to stop that. Involving you in conflict between herself and husband is wrong too. You should refuse to listen and just end the call. Sounds like your DD has been indulged by you for too long and now you are paying the price.

Allira Tue 23-Dec-25 15:51:53

Essexgirl145

Why would you be buying nappies at three years old?.

For the two year old perhaps?

welbeck Tue 23-Dec-25 15:54:08

Essexgirl145

Why would you be buying nappies at three years old?.

Probably for the 2 year old ?

I often lament the decline in comprehension seen on these threads.
But mostly keep it to myself.
Having read yet again on other threads the usual disdain from the SPAG brigade also directed at those who live happily ignorant of soufflé or suet
I urge closer reading.
Happy Xmas.

Allira Tue 23-Dec-25 15:54:11

We also often have them when our daughter and her husband go out or go away for a few days.

Just say NO, sorry, looking after them while they are working is one thing but that is taking the proverbial.

Allira Tue 23-Dec-25 15:56:29

welbeck

Essexgirl145

Why would you be buying nappies at three years old?.

Probably for the 2 year old ?

I often lament the decline in comprehension seen on these threads.
But mostly keep it to myself.
Having read yet again on other threads the usual disdain from the SPAG brigade also directed at those who live happily ignorant of soufflé or suet
I urge closer reading.
Happy Xmas.

Well, I was surprised at ready made soufflé.
I thought they had to be mixed, baked and served quickly!

Sorry, I deflect.

Allira Tue 23-Dec-25 15:57:08

What is the SPAG Brigade?

welbeck Tue 23-Dec-25 15:59:51

SPelling And Grammar police.

Oreo Tue 23-Dec-25 16:00:36

Grandmabatty

Small children often change allegiance in a blink of an eye. Carry on behaving normally with him. However I think you have to tell your daughter not to use you as a threat

That’s what I think too, and the DD should def be told about it.

Allira Tue 23-Dec-25 16:02:11

welbeck

SPelling And Grammar police.

Oh! Thanks.

NannyC1 Tue 23-Dec-25 16:05:54

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icanhandthemback Tue 23-Dec-25 16:10:41

By feeling able to play up, your grandson is actually showing he is fed safe with you. He has probably just reached the pushing boundaries stage. You are giving him what he needs and that sink in. My Nan and Mum used to always go on about how cross my Grandad was but one day when I disobeyed him he just said, “Oh, X, I am disappointed in you.” It dispelled all my fear of him from then onwards!
I have the same situation with my daughter and husband. I do worry but just have to keep quiet.