honey yes, as in napping.
My daughter is 36 and she calls her afternoon nap her "me time" 
Hello Everybody. It is Saturday and a stuck at home watching TV
Hi - I'm a mumsnet refugee but thought i'd pick your brains whilst i'm here.
I can get to sleep fine but wake up ridiculously early and can't go back to sleep. I know that this is something that happened to all of the women in my family as they got older and apparently happens to most people as they get older but i'm only 38.
There's no point in me taking sleeping pills because i have no problem actually getting to sleep and in my experience that's what sleeping pills help with but they don't make you stay asleep beyond a few hours.
I've ordered some extended release melatonin tablets to try as willing to give anything a whirl at this point. I actually like early morning but waking up at 4.30am doesn't combine well with still looking after a very active child whose still bouncing around till 9pm at night.
Just wondered with this being an issue lots of people suffer with as they get older whether anyone has any tips? Also does it happen to everyone or does it seem to run in families? I remember my gran staying with us and sharing my room and being woken by her creeping downstairs at 4am to sit and drink coffee and smoke ciggies in the kitchen.
Sorry for such a boring and ageist first thread
just wanted to pick the brains of a demographic who might have more experience of this.
honey yes, as in napping.
My daughter is 36 and she calls her afternoon nap her "me time" 
Just woken from my after lunch nap, 1 x Downton Abbey plus 2 x Call the Midwife, long.
As I now tend to drink decaffeinated tea and coffee I've realised recently just how much caffeine affects my sleep pattern. One cup will keep me awake for hours. I tend to use it at times when I need to stay awake but it's a nuisance when I can't sleep and know I've gotto be up the next morning [which, thankfully isn't often these days].
i guess mumsnet is back up now. am i allowed to stay i wonder - have plenty of granny habits.
I only read this the other day and thought you might find it interesting honey. Your ancestors didn't sleep like you.
thank you! that was interesting! the one theory i could come up with about waking earlier in winter was that you'd have needed to get the fire going again by that time.
so interesting to know this used to be our sleep pattern. definitely going to stress less and embrace it more.
i work from home and ds is home educated so it's not like we're slaves to anyone else's clock anymore.
Gagagran I missed your post, I think we read the same link. I normally have two sleeps and enjoy being awake for a couple of hours if I know I am not having to get up early. A woman I was talking to recently said she always goes to bed at around midnight because otherwise she wakes up if she goes to bed too early. I didn't know until I read the link that it was normal.
I suffer from insomnia and restless legs syndrome.
Tonight I've had my meds including a sleeping pill.
It's 3.30 am and I'm still awake sitting on the balcony of my hotel in Malta on holidays. This has been my pattern for 20 years. We need up at 6 to go on a special trip today and I don't want to spoil the planned outing.
Regardless legs is an utter nightmare ..... to ease the symptoms I need to walk...but I'm exhausted.
I fully sympathize with all other installers.
I've been managing to get to sleep in the evening again recently but keep waking up after a couple of hours and then being unable to get back to sleep again till about 6. I always used to wake up but go straight back to sleep. I hope this isn't the shape of things to come and is just temporary.
Restless legs - I've got that too, as you say Coolgran, it's a nightmare. It doesn't happen every night though.
There's a thread about it on here somewhere.
Like jingl I find having a radio on very quietly, so that I can barely hear it gets me back to sleep, my mind is trying gently to listen and that seems to be enough. On a very bad night I sit in bed and read until I am falling asleep over my book.
I also move into another bedroom so that I am not worried about disturbing DH with my radio or bedside lamp. If that is not possible try earphones and a back-lit Kindle.
Coolgran and Tricia you might find it's processed sugar and/or chocolate. Mine was getting so bad and I stopped eating chocolate and within a few days it was gone. The other thing I was told is eat more food with magnesium.
I was reminded about my no chocolate rule the other day when after a really busy day out I ate four squares of chocolate.....urghhh, my legs.
Faye thank you for your advice and glad it worked so well for you ....yes, sugar, aspartame, ice cream, alcohol, magnesium, vit D, ferritin iron levels, low dopamine..... so many possibllities can be a trigger. I've had the RLS for 30 years at 24/7 level in both legs, both arms, and shoulders (it's not just a condition of the legs) and take specific medications. Insomnia in my case is now a medication side affect/habit/ a part of rls. The result of the treatment is cr*p but better than the symptoms of 24/7 rls.
Sorry, didn't mean to change the thread to rls.
Just to share one cause of insomnia and empathise with anyone who has continuing sleepless nights.
Here we are again 4am and up watching TV.
Pompa Sympathies I woke up about an hour ago needing a pee and now can't get comfortable with my usual back ache. I must have dozed off lying flat and my back is complaining. So its waiting for the painkillers to kick in.
Its a B miserable time of morning and the kitchen fitter is due at 08:30 so no chance of a lie in. 
I went to bed, and sleep on the dot of 10.00 yesterday. I was dead tired as we were out on Monday evening and didn't get home until nearly 1.00am. I slept like a log and then started to wake, as one does as after a good night's sleep. After half an hour, feeling awake and refreshed. I looked at the clock. It was 4.00am!
I retreated to the spare room with my radio and after half an hour or so was back to sleep.
Spent the night in a chair as my bad back won't allow me to find a comfortable position in bed. It's much easier and bearable sitting, standing and walking but makes sleeping even more of a problem than usual. I had a series of naps throughout the night but gave up trying and made some tea at 4.30 and read my book. Just hope it eases soon as I really need a decent kip! 
I have the opposite problem. I've just slept for 30 out of 31 hours. The hour I didn't sleep was when my husband forced me awake to eat and drink. I've been up about 3 hours now and I'm beginning to feel sleep again.
Make the most of your extra hours. Enjoy them and let yourself nap if you find you need it. It's better than losing entire days.
Woke at 2 ish, so stiff and in pain that I couldn't settle again. Tried walking around the bedrooms for a few minutes, that eased the stiffness and I got back to sleep quite quickly and didn't wake until 7.
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