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Can anyone shed light on this year’s flu vaccine?

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Katek Wed 03-Oct-18 10:44:05

I’m off for my flu vaccine this afternoon and have had it explained by the practice nurse that age 18-64 are receiving 4 in 1 vaccine, 65-75 a 3 in 1 and over 75 a different 3 in 1. (This is in Scotland)

What happens at 65 that we don’t seem need the 4 in 1 and what happens again at 75 that we need yet another type?!

Which strains are they all covering? I presume that as the 4 in 1 is for under 65 only, this is why some over this cut off point are paying privately to have the 4 strain vaccine for additional protection.

As I have asthma and other chest issues I may be receiving the 4 in 1 despite being over 65. I will find out this afternoon.

EllanVannin Sat 08-Dec-18 19:57:41

I had mine just over a week ago. No after effects and arm less sore than previous years. This vaccine is supposed to be the " super " one for the over 75's as the one last year didn't work. We'll see !

annep Sat 08-Dec-18 19:33:24

Thanks Suedonim and everyone else. I have M.E. so I might ask for the under 65 one as I react very easily.

SueDonim Sat 08-Dec-18 13:26:05

Annep no one in this household has had at reactions to the flu vaccines but there are various reasons for being ill afterwards.

One is that your dh was already incubating a virus at the time he had the jab so it's just coincidence.

Another is that his immune system produced a strong response to the vaccine, the symptoms of which resemble flu itself but it's not infectious, it's the body's own response.

I had flu last winter, for the first time since about 1968 and was ill for three weeks so I paid for a jab this year and am hoping it works.

janeainsworth Sat 08-Dec-18 12:56:25

I had one last week. I had to have the one for under 65’s which protects against 4 strains of flu virus, rather than the over 65’s which only protects against 3, according to the pharmacist. Apparently NHS England have told practices and pharmacies they can now do this, because of the shortages of over-65’s vaccines.
Having had flu a few years ago there’s no way I want to go through that again if I can avoid it.
I’ve had no ill-effects from the vaccine at all.

BlueSky Sat 08-Dec-18 11:22:01

Harrigran I'm still debating whether to have my first at 69. So far I have avoided it because I'm one of those people who catastrophises every time. I don't have any particular health concerns such as heart or lungs or other conditions so feel I'm not particularly vulnerable but I might be wrong. [confused

harrigran Sat 08-Dec-18 09:43:13

DH was ill for a week after his but I have been ridiculed for suggesting there is a connection, he was so ill I thought he was going to die. It also happened to me when I had my first injection at 65 but not since.

annep Sat 08-Dec-18 04:43:13

My husband was in bed for almost a week after having his vaccine this year with muscle pains and flu like symptoms. Anyone else have this reaction?

miko Wed 14-Nov-18 01:15:34

I had my first flu appointment cancelled Barberdice, and eventually rebooked and successfully had it thursday last.
Its a good job that I have one of those large Calenders, I have got an E C G booked for Friday next.
It gets busy before Xmas

PECS Mon 05-Nov-18 08:55:47

www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/

sorry if this link was posted before. I skimmed the thread b4 posting.

Marmight Mon 05-Nov-18 08:43:10

DD is organising nasal flu 'vaccinations' for the pupils in her school and can't get it done until 18 December shock. Sounds a bit late to me .....

NfkDumpling Sat 03-Nov-18 22:07:11

Or the suppliers can't keep up.

sunseeker Sat 03-Nov-18 18:25:06

I had my flu jab this morning, my arm is a little sore but so far nothing else. I have been attempting to get the jab for over a month and I actually contacted my MP about the shortage of vaccine and he in turn contacted the relevant department. Their reply was that

"......the NHS has ordered enough doses but it is arriving in waves as there is only one supplier for Europe. The first waves have been delivered to GPs and pharmacists with more arriving over the coming weeks ahead of the flu season"

I don't this is a very satisfactory answer and I wonder if in fact those in charge of ordering underestimated the take up.

Eloethan Sat 03-Nov-18 17:02:46

From my recollection, he based his comments on research that had been done. I'm sure he is well aware that he, like everyone else, contributes to the bacteria. Of course, washing hands would not eliminate germs left on the contents put into trays but I suppose it would help a bit.

I can't say I'm overly concerned about germs but I did think it was a useful piece of information.

Jalima1108 Thu 01-Nov-18 10:28:45

How does Simon Calder know that he is not contributing to the bacteria with his own items? Does he keep sterilising them?

I wonder if he is one of those people who wear face masks?

Lazigirl Thu 01-Nov-18 09:26:23

Even after hand washing you still have to touch stuff that’s been in trays. How can you sterilise that and money is always contaminated with bacteria & drug residue ie cocaine? Interesting that it’s worse at airports.

Jalima1108 Wed 31-Oct-18 23:20:11

oh, lovely!
Thanks for sharing that Eloethan!

But I will remember that and wash my hands. However, by the time your main luggage has been through the system, gone into the hold, retrieved at the other end and put on the reclaim belt it must be riddled with germs.

Eloethan Wed 31-Oct-18 20:28:54

On a slightly different matter, Simon Calder wrote that research has found that the airport is the place where you are most likely to pick up germs. The trays into which people put their belongings going through security are apparently riddled with bacteria. SC said that as soon as he has been through security he goes straight to the toilets and washes his hands thoroughly. He also said to either pay by cash or use contactless on the card machine in the airport chemists as they have also been found to harbour huge amounts of bacteria.

Eloethan Wed 31-Oct-18 20:18:05

I am not a fan of vaccines but had one when I was at work because if I didn't and was off for a week or more with flu I think my employers wouldn't have been too pleased.

Since retiring I haven't bothered but because my husband has been very poorly after an operation I know I can't afford to risk getting flu so decided to have the vaccine. My arm was very sore for two days.

You would certainly know if you had flu rather than a cold. I had a very bad bout of flu in about 1965 and honestly felt I was dying. I was ill for two weeks, lost quite a bit of weight and felt really weak and dizzy when I eventually got out of bed.

annodomini Wed 31-Oct-18 20:00:23

Some years (4?) ago, the flu virus mutated after that year's virus had been administered. So I got flu - not as severe as it used to be when I was younger, but identifiably flu. Fever, headache, nausea. I hope it won't ever happen again.

Marmight Wed 31-Oct-18 19:15:09

I had the flu jab last year and for the first time in my life got flu really badly a couple of months later, but I had been in Australia and sat in front of a seriously unwell passenger on the return leg to Singapore. It came as no surprise that I got it. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. The nurse reliably informed me last week as she sunk a needle into my arm, that this year's vaccination is much stronger than last years grin

Purpledaffodil Wed 31-Oct-18 18:16:30

Our NHS practice also had the mass immunising on several Saturday mornings. Meant there were a lot of sore arms in church on Sunday?
Even after a couple of weeks the injection site is still a tad sore, but no other reaction!

NfkDumpling Wed 31-Oct-18 12:30:37

I’ve just had my flu jab this morning. I was fine for about an hour but now my upper arm is a bit painful and stiff and I can’t raise it far.

I had it in my left arm and I think I would have a problem driving as I don’t think I could change gear. I was given a flyer about all the possible side effects (quite a few) but not being able to drive wasn’t on the list.

SueDonim Wed 31-Oct-18 11:35:09

My nearest hospital here in Scotland is already admitting seriously ill flu patients, a month earlier than expected, which sounds worrying.

Blinko Wed 31-Oct-18 10:34:01

I had my flu jab at the GP surgery when I attended for something else. No reaction at all, so I'm not sure if this shows I'm extra tough or that it hasn't 'worked' this time. I did have flu about thirty years ago. It was devastating, as others have said. All I can say is, if you have to ask, it's not flu.

Lazigirl Wed 31-Oct-18 09:56:04

It’s always possible to get flu even after vaccination. In older people their immune system doesn’t always respond to the vaccine. This year’s is supposed to have a better protection rate for over 75s. The flu virus mutates periodically and current vaccine may be ineffective as you have pointed out lulu. I’ve been lucky and never had flu after vaccination.