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Huntingdon's disease

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sodapop Mon 14-Jun-21 22:05:56

What do others think about the woman who has Huntingdon's and is now pregnant. Her child has a fifty fifty chance of inheriting this awful disease.
The woman was aware of her condition when she became pregnant and is already showing some symptoms.
I think it was a very selfish decision.

lovebeigecardigans1955 Fri 18-Jun-21 14:51:35

Knowledge can be a double-edged sword, can't it?

I sometimes wonder if MIL had known that her son would get MND and die in his mid 50s, would she have aborted him if it had been legal at the time?

If my sister's MIL had known that she'd pass on serious heart problems and diabetes to her son would she have gone ahead?

Serious illness can bring much heartache.

Ngaio1 Thu 17-Jun-21 18:18:03

A very selfish decision. To have a child because YOU want one regardless of what it may go through hardly denotes a loving parent.

OnwardandUpward Thu 17-Jun-21 08:44:12

We don't know the situation, but possibly it was unplanned and she may not agree with abortion.

If there is a 50% chance of the child getting it, there is also a 50% chance of the child not getting it. Personally I wouldn't take that chance, but wish her a healthy child.

Deedaa Wed 16-Jun-21 22:22:47

I read an article about testing for Huntingtons which said that women tended to be tested for it more than men. The theory was that women want to know what's going to happen so they can plan for their family's future while men just hope it won't happen.

My friend and her husband never had children because they didn't want to risk passing it on. Sadly this meant that she was on her own when he began to deteriorate. She took him out for as long as she could but even a quick coffee became an endurance test when he couldn't swallow. She was lucky that she could afford to pay for some help, but once he couldn't be left alone, a day out meant paying about £15 an hour for someone to sit with him - so a rare treat.

I had some rough times with DH's cancer but I always felt we were better off than her. I never lost the man I had married but she lost her's a long time before the end.

SueDonim Wed 16-Jun-21 22:02:47

Thank you for your moving contribution, Allsortsofbags.

It’s very true, knowledge also brings with it a lot of soul-searching. I have a friend who chose not to have testing after a breast lump removal. She felt she didn’t want to know for herself or to have to deal with that knowledge on her children’s behalf. As it happened, she died suddenly and too young of something very rare and completely unconnected. We just don’t know what the future holds, do we?

Shelflife Wed 16-Jun-21 17:04:13

Very complex situation . Think if it were me and I had given birth in that situation and my child developed Huntingtons I would find it so distressing having to explain to my son /daughter what condition they have. It must be hard enough if you have not taken that 50/ 50 chance!
Quite correct ,we must not judge , can only say that I would not have taken the risk. It would have been a very difficult decision as having children was always on my agenda.

Callistemon Wed 16-Jun-21 16:09:14

I'm glad there wasn't all the knowledge and options available when I was young. I didn't have the enormous dilemma I'd have now regarding the to have children or not debate.

allsortsofbags
That is a really interesting point and a very courageous post.

How many of us know before we embark on parenthood whether we carry a genetic disorder that may impact on the health of any children?
Years ago there was no way of knowing but now, with the advances in genetic testing, we may be able to make a more informed decision.

NotSpaghetti Wed 16-Jun-21 14:31:52

sodapop

Thanks NotSpaghetti it's a subject I feel strongly about.

thanks allsortsofbags

Yes. I feel strongly about it too… hence my earlier post.

sodapop Wed 16-Jun-21 08:31:59

Thanks NotSpaghetti it's a subject I feel strongly about.

thanks allsortsofbags

JaneJudge Wed 16-Jun-21 07:06:28

allsortsofbags flowers

V3ra Wed 16-Jun-21 06:29:00

Powerful words allsortsofbags and lots to think about.
Thank you so much for sharing your family's story.

allsortsofbags Wed 16-Jun-21 03:02:39

Huntington's. HD. Used to be called Huntington's Chorea when I was young.

At 6 yrs old I was my Mum's carer and at 16 I would have been an orphan if I hadn't been adopted. As it turned out my Mum was symptomatic before my sister was born but I didn't realise it at the time. Eventually Mum's condition became too much for me to manage even with support. When she was hospitalised I got my childhood back but lost my Mum, even though we went to visit her, I'd lost her.

My family have early onset Huntington's. Symptomatic in early to mid 20's with life expectancy was 42 yrs old. Ours isn't the earliest onset or the earliest age of mortality. Although later onset is considered more the "norm".

I'm 68 my sister is 64. My mother died just before her 41st birthday. Her father died age 42 and 2 of his siblings died of HD in one in their late 30's and the other in their early 40's. They were a family of 10 children so 5 should have had HD not 3.

My mother was one of 5 siblings and the only one to get HD. Two are still going strong, age 98 and 87. Mum's eldest sibling died age 85 after a stroke and the 3rd eldest had an aneurysm, also in their 80's so the 50% didn't always work out either

I don't have it, my sister doesn't have it and our kids don't have it. Sis and I are too old to have it and the youngest of our kids is also too old to have it.

I was past the age of mortality before the test was available but my sister had one of the early test - negative thank goodness. In reality she was also past the age of being symptomatic but was tested as part of the study.

So is it right to have a child if you know you have HD who knows?

The couple are brave and from reading the article they are as prepared as anyone can be and there is no shortage of Love but bottom line it is their decision and I wish them well.

I'm glad there wasn't all the knowledge and options available when I was young. I didn't have the enormous dilemma I'd have now regarding the to have children or not debate.

I have to say there wasn't much information available and things weren't discussed in our family or in the media so I never had the real soul searching that HD families of today have.

In fact discussion was discouraged in our family as it upset my gran, who lived with us. and who had lost a husband and a daughter to HD.

By the time I had my first I was it was reasonably clear to my family and our GP that I wasn't symptomatic so there were no objections or questions about the rights or wrongs of having children. Our GP diagnosed my Mum and stayed in touch with her even after she was hospitalised so he had as good idea of what was what as anyone I had access to at that time.

Looking back I gambled. With my second more was known and I was symptom free so much safer.

I do vividly remember in my late 20's early 30's having a persistent worry about getting to 42 before I could really feel safe. Because as time went on, studies came out and testing was on the horizon I realised I'd taken our GP's encouraging words as gospel that all would be well. I began to realise that I'd gone into parenthood with blind faith or outright stupidity and nowhere near the diligence I should have applied.

Thankfully all is well, my children haven't had to watch my deterioration or care for me the way I had to for my mum.

But she was and always will be my Mum - more - so much more than Huntington's and I'm glad for every day I had with her.

My sister and I are so very lucky. HD is dead in our family.

We won the gene lottery. The Savage gene is no more in our family.

Other families are not so lucky. Those who have to face the prospect of getting HD or passing HD on are really the only people who will have to make the difficult choice irrespective of our opinions.

I have a saying about opinions but here isn't the place so I'll leave that for now.

I wish anyone facing difficult decisions, support and understanding, and the very best of Luck. Because we all need some Luck in our lives.

NotSpaghetti Tue 15-Jun-21 23:21:11

sodapop

As someone who spent their working life with people who had disabilities I found your comment very patronising NotSpaghetti
"People like this" are just people surely, not to be loved or otherwise because of their illness/disability.

Yes, I think this was a poor phrase typed in despair. "People like this" was how I felt others were seeing disabilities.
Apologies.

Deedaa Tue 15-Jun-21 20:34:17

I must admit I was rather shocked when I read about her. My oldest friend's husband has just died after 15 years incapacitated with Huntingtons. My husband died after 10 years of cancer and the Huntington's was far worse. The deterioration of mind and body is terrible, I can't imagine risking passing it on. His mother had died of it so it had always been hanging over him.

harrigran Tue 15-Jun-21 20:20:42

If I carried the gene of an heredity condition I definitely would not have children. So cruel to condemn someone to a an incurable disease.

Floradora9 Tue 15-Jun-21 16:25:19

I know a family who decided never to have children because this ran in the family . The husband's sister and father died of it , it is a horrible disease . I knew the poor woman who lost her husband and then daughter after years od infirmity.

sodapop Tue 15-Jun-21 12:29:25

As someone who spent their working life with people who had disabilities I found your comment very patronising NotSpaghetti
"People like this" are just people surely, not to be loved or otherwise because of their illness/disability.

Luckygirl Tue 15-Jun-21 10:38:55

A judgement need not be judgemental. It can simply be the expression of an opinion.

JaneJudge Tue 15-Jun-21 10:31:06

I also want to add, my initial thought was I wouldn't want to bring a child into the world faced with such a diagnosis, if that child hadn't been conceived but then I looked at the couple in the link Suedonim posted and I thought how happy they looked and was it any of my business sad

JaneJudge Tue 15-Jun-21 10:28:40

I suppose any view or comment is a bit judgemental. It is such a complex issue, I can't see how it couldn't be.It is the whole point of medical ethics really, basing decisions in a non religious, non biased, unemotional way.

I think there is a difference between pre pregnancy and prenatal and people who have been born too. But I am not religious and I respect other people don't have the same feelings as me about things

Callistemon Tue 15-Jun-21 10:21:55

JaneJudge

NotSpaghetti

How can people know what they would do in someone else's situation?

So much judgement here.
Some of us love people like this and I assure you their lives ARE meaningful - and they add to OUR lives, and society.

People don't know what they would do and too right people with illnesses and disabilities add to society and are loved smile

But that is judgemental too:

Some of us love people like this and I assure you their lives ARE meaningful

Others may love "people like this" but might make the judgement that knowingly bringing a child into the world who may suffer is selfish.

People don't know what they would do
None of us do if faced with those circumstances.

JaneJudge Tue 15-Jun-21 10:12:45

NotSpaghetti

How can people know what they would do in someone else's situation?

So much judgement here.
Some of us love people like this and I assure you their lives ARE meaningful - and they add to OUR lives, and society.

People don't know what they would do and too right people with illnesses and disabilities add to society and are loved smile

Callistemon Tue 15-Jun-21 09:52:29

love0c

I do not think the woman is selfish. The 'new' gene breakthrough with the vaccine can now be looked at how this and other diseases can be eliminated. This is a marvellous breakthrough and this science will change our thinking of this and other diseases.

We can only hope.

Callistemon Tue 15-Jun-21 09:51:23

A good case for IVF I think - only an embryo free of the disease would have been implanted.

I thought the same, Luckygirl, but then would it be fair to bring a child into the world when that child will have all the distress, perhaps at a young age, of seeing his or her mother succumb to the disease?

NotSpaghetti Tue 15-Jun-21 09:48:02

How can people know what they would do in someone else's situation?

So much judgement here.
Some of us love people like this and I assure you their lives ARE meaningful - and they add to OUR lives, and society.