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Creeping Privatisation of our NHS?

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Candelle Mon 23-Aug-21 15:01:00

I have today received a letter from Lloyds Pharmacy offering me a FREE flu jab. Free? Well not quite, as Lloyds will be paid by the NHS (and thus by my and your contributions) and is part of the creeping privatisation of our NHS.

Historically, these injections have been provided by our GPs as part of their day-to-day service to the community. They too are paid by the NHS for giving the jabs but the money is recycled, subsidising their other services which they provide as part of their National Health contract and doesn’t just disappear into the bank account of a faceless, unaccountable, multi-national company.

Did you know that your local GP has to purchase in advance, on the open market, the flu jabs for the season? They do this based on the make-up of their patients and historic patterns of demand. The jabs are not on a ‘use or return basis’, so any unused jabs as a result of patients using other providers are wasted, causing a financial loss to the practice as well as a loss of income, making less money available for subsidising their other services. Don’t forget also that your GP will probably know you and your health problems and has your medical records to hand.

I declare an interest as my daughter is an ordinary GP (in her surgery or at NHS meetings 7am to 9 pm four days a week, on her computer or on the phone at home the other three days) but I know the battle beginning to rage between funding for the NHS and commercial enterprises. If you truly value our NHS and your surgery, please accept and have your 'flu jabs at your surgery - a simple way to help sustain them.

Lloyds is a German company, Celesio, which in turn is owned by a huge American corporation, McKesson Corp. Incidentally, Boots is now owned by Walgrens, another huge American company, so every time you accept a vaccination at anywhere but your local GP's surgery, you are putting a nail into their coffin and boosting an overseas large commercial organisation.

These large US based conglomerates are playing on the vulnerability of the NHS at the moment; ‘pay extra for immediate treatment’, offering to keep your repeat prescription records and automatically dispensing your prescriptions instead of you using your local pharmacy. By doing so you are paving the way for us to be told that we like and are happy with the 'new normal' so don't need the NHS.
Another example of creeping privatisation is that of ear wax removal which used to be undertaken at your local GP surgery. The Government has removed it from their treatment list so it’s a quick £30 - £50 elsewhere. Where will it end?

Having your ‘flu jab at your local surgery when invited to do so is a simple way to help yourself and your surgery.

Unless we support our local surgeries and chemists shops, I suggest that we are on a slippery downward path to privatisation.

tanith Mon 23-Aug-21 15:19:38

Sadly it’s been going on for many years behind closed doors. ?

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 23-Aug-21 15:31:12

GPS are overworked. Pharmacies have provided flu jabs for years, this is nothing new. Also of course covid jabs. If this wasn’t done GPs would be even more overworked and a lot of people could go unvaccinated as their pharmacy may well be more conveniently situated and have better appointment times. And of course it’s free of charge to the patient, just as the jab provided by the GP. No-one pretends that the pharmacy bears the cost. You ask us to support our chemist’s shops - many of them are Lloyd’s or Boots. How you see this very helpful additional facility as privatisation is beyond me. Your daughter won’t be going out of business any time soon but think how many more hours she would have to work if the pharmacy didn’t share the load. And of course we are told to consult our pharmacist for minor ailments rather than bother the doctor - should we not be doing that?

SueDonim Mon 23-Aug-21 15:35:03

Chance would be a fine thing. If you can’t get an appointment with your GP there’s no alternative but to turn to pharmacies.

Georgesgran Mon 23-Aug-21 16:04:50

I’ve always tried to find alternative venues for some procedures to try and keep pressure off GPs. Surgeries, so they have more time for their ‘sick’ patients. The NHS ads advise us to speak to a Pharmacist first then contact 111 and only contact a GP as a last option, so as long as people get their treatment I don’t see it matters where.

Oopsadaisy1 Mon 23-Aug-21 16:08:21

I received a letter from Lloyds this morning as a ‘valued customer’ , I’m not , but I have an appointment at the Surgery tomorrow morning and will try to find out if our Surgery is going to offer flu jabs this year or not. Also, if we are going to be offered a booster Covid vaccine I would rather get them done together.
I had a flu jab at my local Chemist a few years ago as I wasn’t eligible for a GP jab, so it isn’t a new thing.

Calendargirl Mon 23-Aug-21 16:09:43

My flu jab is booked with Boots. They were offering appointments weeks ago, DH received a text from the surgery a couple of days ago asking him to book. I have yet to hear from them.

As others have said, surely it will take pressure off our busy GP surgeries if more of us had our flu jabs elsewhere, leaving the doctors and practice nurses available to see more patients?

GrannyGravy13 Mon 23-Aug-21 16:51:29

I have had my flu vaccination at Lloyd’s for eight years, last year and this year I have appointments at Boots. Our large Sainsbury’s and Tesco pharmacies also offer flu jabs free if you are in the appropriate group.

My reason is that the clinics for flu vaccine at the GP’s have never fitted in with work or family commitments.

As for supporting our local surgeries chance would be a fine thing to get through to them in the phone.

trisher Mon 23-Aug-21 17:03:33

If anything marked the beginning of privatisation in the NHS wasn't it possibly the position of GPs who have never really been an integral part but are private practices with their own financial independence, keeping their own accounts and buying into services. Their position was further complicated by Cameron's reorganisation which placed them at the heart of commissioning (with limited success). The Americans are certainly circling but I'm not sure GPs are actually the safety net. Their relationship with the NHS is far from simple.

Gwyneth Mon 23-Aug-21 17:03:51

I’ve booked with Boots too as last year my surgery didn’t offer me a flu vaccination until March! Obviously far too late so wasn’t going to wait around this year!

flaxwoven Mon 23-Aug-21 17:06:38

Yes, the NHS is being privatised by the back door, chipped away at, in accordance with Tory policy of privatising everything in sight. I had my flu jab last year at Boots on the NHS. Boots told me they have to order doses of the flu one year in advance, having to calculate how much they might need. I also order my repeat prescription on the internet from the GP and Boots text me when it's ready to collect. Very efficient. I did not know Boots is now owned by an American company, it seems such a trusted British name. We also had a letter from Lloyds and tore it up. They seem to be doing a big advertising campaign. There are rumours the flu jab will be given together with a Covid booster jab but I will wait and see.

PippaZ Mon 23-Aug-21 17:28:57

I have usually had my vaccination in a large (and airy) Boots for the past few years. I used to get my blood taken for testing at Sainsbury's and had my flu vaccine there one year because I was there anyway. I agree with flaxwoven, they are very efficient and very customer orientated - which cannot always be said for doctor's surgeries.

The NHS has been going for since 1948 and it has made a huge difference to the health of the nation. I most certainly don't want it privatised by I do think we could do with a revised structure including Pharmacies, Opticians, etc., laid out and telling us where the best place is for whatever.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 23-Aug-21 17:39:02

PippaZ

I have usually had my vaccination in a large (and airy) Boots for the past few years. I used to get my blood taken for testing at Sainsbury's and had my flu vaccine there one year because I was there anyway. I agree with flaxwoven, they are very efficient and very customer orientated - which cannot always be said for doctor's surgeries.

The NHS has been going for since 1948 and it has made a huge difference to the health of the nation. I most certainly don't want it privatised by I do think we could do with a revised structure including Pharmacies, Opticians, etc., laid out and telling us where the best place is for whatever.

Blimey I agree with all aspects of your post ?

Casdon Mon 23-Aug-21 17:42:18

Pharmacies have been offering the flu vaccine since 2013, this isn’t a new initiative. It was set up to improve patient choice and accessibility. Pharmacies are contracted to the NHS to provide the vaccines exactly the same way as GP practices are. If you don’t want to support large pharmacy chains that’s your choice, get your vaccine elsewhere.

PippaZ Mon 23-Aug-21 17:44:52

GrannyGravy13

PippaZ

I have usually had my vaccination in a large (and airy) Boots for the past few years. I used to get my blood taken for testing at Sainsbury's and had my flu vaccine there one year because I was there anyway. I agree with flaxwoven, they are very efficient and very customer orientated - which cannot always be said for doctor's surgeries.

The NHS has been going for since 1948 and it has made a huge difference to the health of the nation. I most certainly don't want it privatised by I do think we could do with a revised structure including Pharmacies, Opticians, etc., laid out and telling us where the best place is for whatever.

Blimey I agree with all aspects of your post ?

But that's lovely. It had to happen one day smile

maddyone Mon 23-Aug-21 17:54:46

Thank you for the information Candelle. I already knew this from my daughter who is also a GP (now sadly absent from the UK due to the stress of working in the NHS during Covid, she’s one of the ones who were hiding behind closed doors just like all the ones various Gransnetters complained about, and so she’s fled to New Zealand to work there, where sadly Covid has now caught up with her again) but she told me years ago that I should always get my flu jab at the GP surgery because the surgery is paid for every jab it does. If you get your jab at the pharmacist ‘because it’s so convenient’ you are indeed sleep walking into the loss of our NHS as we know it. I always get my jab at my GP surgery, which is further away than the pharmacy, because I value our GP service.

maddyone Mon 23-Aug-21 17:58:14

Incidentally, GPs do not do the vaccinations, the practice nurses do them, and even during Covid last year, the service provided was quick and efficient. I made an appointment by telephone (it could be done online) and turned up at the correct time, in and out in a few minutes. Excellent service.

JaneJudge Mon 23-Aug-21 17:58:44

I think pharmacies like Boots and LLoyds will have to start paying their staff better all these extra services they are having to give

GrannyGravy13 Mon 23-Aug-21 17:59:52

maddyone

Thank you for the information Candelle. I already knew this from my daughter who is also a GP (now sadly absent from the UK due to the stress of working in the NHS during Covid, she’s one of the ones who were hiding behind closed doors just like all the ones various Gransnetters complained about, and so she’s fled to New Zealand to work there, where sadly Covid has now caught up with her again) but she told me years ago that I should always get my flu jab at the GP surgery because the surgery is paid for every jab it does. If you get your jab at the pharmacist ‘because it’s so convenient’ you are indeed sleep walking into the loss of our NHS as we know it. I always get my jab at my GP surgery, which is further away than the pharmacy, because I value our GP service.

I value our GP services…

I had a phone check up today for an ongoing illness, I was asked what my blood pressure was, I replied I had no idea and did not have a blood pressure monitor. Their response could I find somewhere to have it taken during the week and they would ring me on Friday to find out the readings, I shouldn’t try to ring results in ?

I totally appreciate GP’s are busy but really?

Calendargirl Mon 23-Aug-21 18:00:36

Also it is a more pleasant experience at the pharmacy. DH and I go in to a little room together, the pharmacist, although efficient and not wasting time, makes you feel as though you are not an interruption to her day, although I’m sure she has plenty of other work to do.

The GP experience is nothing like that, herded together, shuffle in, jab, out, every minute or so.

JaneJudge Mon 23-Aug-21 18:02:45

you can buy blood pressure monitors

loads here, some quite cheap

BUt I do know what you mean. We are allowed to go in and use the one in the medical centre though that you put your arm in

GrannyGravy13 Mon 23-Aug-21 18:10:07

JaneJudge

you can buy blood pressure monitors

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BUt I do know what you mean. We are allowed to go in and use the one in the medical centre though that you put your arm in

Yes JaneJudge but like you said that is not the point.

maddyone Mon 23-Aug-21 18:23:03

GrannyGravy why don’t you buy a blood pressure machine and email the results in? Doctors get a more accurate picture if you do your blood pressure daily for a week anyway, rather than just one isolated reading. We’ve had a blood pressure machine for years, they’re not very expensive.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 23-Aug-21 18:31:25

maddyone

GrannyGravy why don’t you buy a blood pressure machine and email the results in? Doctors get a more accurate picture if you do your blood pressure daily for a week anyway, rather than just one isolated reading. We’ve had a blood pressure machine for years, they’re not very expensive.

It is not the cost, it’s the fact that I am not a health care professional. Pre-Covid I would go into the surgery every six months for an overall assessment.

A phone consultation is not satisfactory for some conditions..

Zoejory Mon 23-Aug-21 18:39:07

I think the NHS has had creeping privatisation coming in for quite a while now. Blair was an advocate

By 2008 we could have as much as 40% of acute operations done in the private sector being done under the NHS banner," he told health bosses.

www.theguardian.com/society/2006/feb/16/health.politics