With UK Covid deaths the highest in Europe, is this living with Covid?

SpanielNanny

This chart is also quite interesting, it shows the cumulative positivity rate in each county. I’ve included the link again, as the bar on the bottom can be altered to show how rates have changed over time.

ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-positive-rate-bar

It is interesting, but if the theory that the UK tests more is correct, the UK should have a lower rate than countries who test less.

Josianne

Thanks for the graph WWM2.
I don't think anyone was deflecting, unless it was meant to be a political argument? Just choked on breakfast with the first line and thought I might have to cancel my lunch in town. A bit scary too in the Health forum for those of a less robust nature.
We are always reminded to get the facts straight on GN.

Covid doesn't avoid people of a less robust nature.

This chart is also quite interesting, it shows the cumulative positivity rate in each county. I’ve included the link again, as the bar on the bottom can be altered to show how rates have changed over time.

ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-positive-rate-bar

The point is SpanielNanny that for the rate to be ten times lower in France than in England you would have to have a mighty lot of unidentified asymptomatic cases in France.
My GD and 100 of her year group in England got Covid within three weeks of returning to school. My GD passed it on to my twice vaccinated DD and SiL. All three had significant symptoms and had two weeks away from school / work.
I am inclined to think the higher number of tests reflects the higher number of cases rather than believing in a mysterious mainland European asymptomatic Covid strain. ?

Teacheranne

Newquay

I keep seeing these figures on the news every night yet hardly know anyone who actually has it!

On the other hand, I know more people with Covid now than at any time during the peaks. My sister and nephew have it as do several friends. Luckily none of them have been very ill as they are all, apart from my 15 yr old nephew, double vaccinated but having to self isolate is affecting them work wise and socially.

So do I.

Why is this inaccurate OP still there ?

Alegrias1

I'm on a stats roll now.

See fatality rates for the UK versus the EU and Europe...

As a matter of interest, which countries are meant by "Europe", as opposed to EU? Does Europe include the UK? AFAIK it's the most populous non-EU European country.

4200 cases in France yesterday, 5% down on the week before.
It is clearly the failure to vaccinate secondary age children in England before returning to school that is a significant factor in the high number of cases. If PCR tests have been coming back as false negatives and children with Covid have been returning to school then that can't have helped.
Plenty of discussion about it on Mumsnet.

I have no idea why the graph has repeated three times. Obviously it’s really keen to support my point!

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Another problem with comparing case numbers in the UK to other countries, is that there is a huge difference in the number of tests being carried out. This graph demonstrates the amount of Covid tests being done in the UK, compared to elsewhere. I’ve also attempted to attach a link, for anyone who’s interested.

ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-tests-per-thousand-people-smoothed-7-day

Now, I’m not claiming that the the high numbers in the UK are solely down to increased testing. There has obviously been many, many mistakes. However given the large number of asymptotic positives (especially from routine lft tests carried out twice a week on young people in the uk), I suspect that some of the counties with lower positives and lower rates testing are reporting artificially low numbers.

Oops 45,00 cases yesterday!

Speaking to my brother and SiL in Italy they can’t believe we have 25,000 cases a day …they have about 2,000. They wouldn’t come here any time soon. They have been hit hard in the past. Must be a reason why. Meanwhile my 2 secondary school GDs have tested positive along with half their school- why didn’t we vaccinate kids and teachers in the holidays????

I find the numbers unbelievable, at this rate it means soon the whole of the country will have had Covid.

12% of the population of the UK have had a positive test. At a rate of 40,000 a day it will take a little over 4 years for everybody to have caught it.

Whitewavemark2 do you not have any comment on the graph posted by Alegrias1 at 09.35?

159 deaths.......36,000 cases in september

Barmeyoldbat

I find the numbers unbelievable, at this rate it means soon the whole of the country will have had Covid. Two of my family got it when the need for wearing masks was removed and one friend has contacted Covid other than that I don’t know anyone else who had covid.

Herd immunity, always the original intention, until they panicked.

I find the numbers unbelievable, at this rate it means soon the whole of the country will have had Covid. Two of my family got it when the need for wearing masks was removed and one friend has contacted Covid other than that I don’t know anyone else who had covid.

It will be affecting the economy in so many ways. Even I don't want to visit England with the lack of masks etc .

You can add in the 43,000 tests that were wrongly described as negative by the lab in Wolverhampton, which is reported on the BBC website. .
According to Twitter this is the company involved.
"The Lab is run by Immensa Health Clinic, CEO is Andrea Riposati. The company existed for less than 3 months, had no employees and £100 in assets when it was awarded a £120m contract by the Tories in Oct 2020. No website, and address is a block of offices in Mayfair."
On Mumsnet there is an interesting thread will lots of families experiencing positve LFTs, covid symptoms and negative PCRs.
So who knows how accurate the numbers are.

Newquay

I keep seeing these figures on the news every night yet hardly know anyone who actually has it!

On the other hand, I know more people with Covid now than at any time during the peaks. My sister and nephew have it as do several friends. Luckily none of them have been very ill as they are all, apart from my 15 yr old nephew, double vaccinated but having to self isolate is affecting them work wise and socially.

Whitewavemark2 what a patronising comment.

This data is also from John Hopkins University and paints a very different picture.

I'm on a stats roll now.

See fatality rates for the UK versus the EU and Europe...

"Cases" can mean all sorts of things.
Even without hospitalisation, a case of covid can be severe for an individual and can leave them with long covid.
Or it can be almost unnoticeable.

There no way of knowing, from the statistics, how prevalent serious covid illness is.

Thanks too Alegrias.
As for today, I will just live with it.

Thanks for the graph WWM2.
I don't think anyone was deflecting, unless it was meant to be a political argument? Just choked on breakfast with the first line and thought I might have to cancel my lunch in town. A bit scary too in the Health forum for those of a less robust nature.
We are always reminded to get the facts straight on GN.