Is Gender Critical the new Pro Life?

Gender critical individuals claim what all of them? They have a hive mind?
To answer the thread title.....no.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say there's a refusal by some to "accept science that shows humans and animal life forms are born in categories other than just male and female" Gagajo.

Babies can be born with ambiguous genitalia which is very rare where the baby's genitals don't appear to be male or female. However, they are still genetically one or the other and their chromosomes 2 x's for female or x and y for male determine what treatment is required.

What is the science that proves humans can be born in categories other than male or female?

It's the blurring of gender and sex again.
Do you believe a human can change sex?

GagaJo

I was musing this while playing lego with DGS this afternoon.

Pro life individuals claim to be anti abortion because they want to protect the life of the unborn baby, but resent public spending on the baby once it is born. They're judgemental about single-parents. In the US, they want to deny access to free contraception to women, BUT refuse to hold men accountable for paying child support. Doesn't sound very pro anything to me.

Gender critical individuals claim to 'follow the science' but then refuse to accept any science that shows that human and animal life forms are born in categories other than just male and female. They're critical of other cultures that have accepted alternative gender expressions beyond the binary. While claiming not to be totally anti trans, they want to shut off any access to support or treatment (the hooha about the Tavistock Clinic and Kiera Bell) at a point in a young person's life where it could help them avoid developing the unwanted sexual characteristics of the gender they want to transition from. After all that, they will only accept trans individuals who are 100% post surgery, despite not wanting those individuals to be able to access surgery, hormones or treatment. They also deny the evidence and existence of these individuals historically, prefering to see the visibility of trans as a patriarchal plot to deny cis women their rights.

I'm sceptical. It is a 'damned if you do and damned if you don't' position for trans individuals within the eyes of the gender critical, in my opinion.

Let the battle commence.

Disclaimer
I am a life-long feminist.
I will not be responding to demands and insistence for answers.
I will, however, enter into polite discussion.

Sweeping generalisations. I'm pro life but I don't resent money being spent on the baby once born and have no issue with single mothers and I think fathers should support their children.

I'm not gender critical so no link to prolife.

In that it’s the dealbreaker for any kind of friendship with me, yep.

I don’t think they are comparable. They are completely separate issues.

Smileless2012

I'm not sure what you mean when you say there's a refusal by some to "accept science that shows humans and animal life forms are born in categories other than just male and female" Gagajo.

Babies can be born with ambiguous genitalia which is very rare where the baby's genitals don't appear to be male or female. However, they are still genetically one or the other and their chromosomes 2 x's for female or x and y for male determine what treatment is required.

What is the science that proves humans can be born in categories other than male or female?

I know someone who has XXY (Klinefelters) Don't know if there are other possibilities.

Gender critical is the assertion that all mammals have an X or Y chromosome that categorises them as male or female. Like Smileless I’d be interested in any scientific research that shows otherwise.

Beyond that, there is a range of opinion in those that make that assertion.

Just as there is a range of opinion in the trans community as to whether lesbians or gays exist or whether they are, in fact, trans in denial and should be compelled to transition.

Because some trans believe this and seek to eradicate homosexuality, would you say that this is the trans stance.
In the way that you have translated some gender critical opinions into the overall gender critical stance?

There are other possibilities theworriedwell but all still culminate down either the male or female sex line. Klinefelters is a genetic condition only suffered by males. It does not make the sufferer female or the inaccurate and insulting term 'intersex'.

There is no science that shows you can change sex. I am gender critical but disagree with most of what you have stated so its seems your understanding of gender critical is a bit flawed.

Ooh and I am a pro choice but can accept that there are people who disagree with me on that issue. I wouldnt start a post making sweeping generalisations about those who are against abortion because as I say I can cope with the fact that people hold different views to me.

Yes, totally different issues. 100%. BUT opinion tends to be polarised about both of them. In most cases, people are either for or against. Bit like Trump really. But that's an even more tenuous link.

Smileless22 It is possible for a baby to be born with no sex organs at all. The one that I saw interviewed was fascinating. With no sex hormones circulating they seemed very serene, lacking all the emotional ups and downs that hormones cause. When it came to clothes they wore anything that took their fancy without bothering about whether they were designed for men or women.

X0 is Turner's syndrome

Peasblossom

Gender critical is the assertion that all mammals have an X or Y chromosome that categorises them as male or female. Like Smileless I’d be interested in any scientific research that shows otherwise.

Beyond that, there is a range of opinion in those that make that assertion.

Just as there is a range of opinion in the trans community as to whether lesbians or gays exist or whether they are, in fact, trans in denial and should be compelled to transition.

Because some trans believe this and seek to eradicate homosexuality, would you say that this is the trans stance.
In the way that you have translated some gender critical opinions into the overall gender critical stance?

“Compelled to transition”, the most frightening thing I have read, to think someone would force my beautiful niece to transition because they don’t like gay people. Is that right. No.

Just as there is a range of opinion in the trans community as to whether lesbians or gays exist or whether they are, in fact, trans in denial and should be compelled to transition.

While I disagree with this, I can see why some may have come to this conclusion. A fair amount of previously butch lesbians (Jack Halberstam & Del La Grace) who have transitioned have unintentionally created confusion in the minds of some.

I’m afraid the Gay eradication stance is very strong in the Trans movement Linslass. There have been protest against it in many countries worldwide.

Yes but my question to you was whether it can be said that these opinions of some Trans people can be Sid to what what Trans people therefore believe. In the same was that you have taken the opinions of some Gender critical people and said this is what the Gendercritical believe.

can be said to be what

Amazingly Stonewall say homosexuality is people of either sex who are same gender attracted, nothing to do with sex. This has to be the most homophobic stance, and that it is parroted by an organisation founded to get equal treatment for LGB people is nothing short of astounding!

My brain can’t cope with all this so I ignore it.
In the hope it dies down and goes away.

Two sets of sweeping generalisations, that those who are Pro-life and those that are gender critical both belong to groups where everyone in each group has identikit beliefs.

How can any discussion take place around two such simplistic ideas.

Urmstongran

My brain can’t cope with all this so I ignore it.
In the hope it dies down and goes away.

I do like this. It isn't quite my POV, which is that we are the old order and the new one will take over. But it amounts to the same thing!

It's just a starting place for discussion MOnica.