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Transgender people who start hormones as teenagers rather than adults 'have better mental health’

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GagaJo Wed 12-Jan-22 19:49:33

Transgender people who start their hormones as teenagers have “far better” mental health than if they wait until adulthood, new research says.

Experts have found that transgender people who begin hormone treatment in adolescence had fewer suicidal thoughts, were less likely to experience major mental health disorders and had fewer problems with substance abuse than those who started hormones later in life.

The study, which was led by the Stanford University School of Medicine, gathered data from the largest-ever survey of US transgender adults where 27,715 people responded in 2015.

Researchers found that, as well as fewer mental health concerns when taking the drugs as teenagers, those who took the drugs at any age had better mental health than those who wanted them but had never received them.

Of the people surveyed, 21,598 reported they had received the hormones they wanted. Of these people, 119 began hormones at age 14 or 15; 362 at age 16 and 17 and 12,157 following their 18th birthday.

Some 8,860 people surveyed said they wanted but never received hormone therapy and acted as the control group for the study.

Odds of severe psychological distress were reduced by 222 per cent, 153 per cent and 81 per cent for those who began hormones in early adolescence, late adolescence and adulthood, respectively.

Odds of feeling suicidal in the previous year were 135 per cent lower in those who began hormones in early adolescence, 62 per cent lower in those who began in late adolescence and 21 per cent lower in those who began as adults, compared with the control group.

Dr Jack Turban, lead author on the study and expert in paediatric and adolescent psychiatry at Stanford Medicine, said: “This study is particularly relevant now because many state legislatures are introducing bills that would outlaw this kind of care for transgender youth.

“We are adding to the evidence base that shows why gender-affirming care is beneficial from a mental health perspective.”

In the UK, hormone drugs can only be given to people from the age of 16 who have been on puberty blockers for at least 12 months.

Last September, the UK Court of Appeal overturned a judgment that children under the age of 16 considering gender reassignment were unlikely to be mature enough to give informed consent to be prescribed puberty-blocking drugs.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/transgender-hormones-teenager-mental-health-b1991724.html

trisher Sun 16-Jan-22 10:43:24

If you post "sympathy" for a black woman athlete because you "don't know" about what is happening , you can have your pick racist or ignorant? Why would anyone, but particularly a woman, campaign vigorously to have transwomen banned from sport without looking at the whole picture? Why isn't a black woman athlete worthy of your support, but only qualifies for "sympathy". Honestly if you can't see the racism in that I completely apologise for calling you racist. But black women athletes are fighting for equality is sympathy enough?

Mollygo Sun 16-Jan-22 10:39:07

trisher

Doodledog wouldn't it be nice if just for once you could actually post an opinion without trying to belittle, accuse, denigrate of otherwise question other posters. In fact wihout naming any other poster, reproducing their words, attempting to twist their meaning and create straw men arguments, or claiming to be a victim when you are called out about something. Just once.

Actually trisher, I couldn’t have put your words better, except they would have been more accurately addressed at you rather than Doodledog.
You do all the things you mention in your post and in addition deviate from the subject in question in the same way, e.g. racism every time, (although KKK was a new low even for you), regardless of the initial post.
If I had my computer to hand I would have cut and pasted the post rather than quoting it.

Doodledog Sun 16-Jan-22 10:38:21

trisher

Isn't this a question Doodledog
^At present most of the people I know will accept or categorise someone according to their appearance and/or what gender they declare if asked. Transwomen therefore are included in women's facilities and transmen in men's. How do you see that changing if you consider transwomen should not be in women's facilities and how would this be managed?^

‘Most of the people you know’ doesn’t include anyone who believes that sex can’t be changed, though, so it’s hardly representative of society at large.

I have answered this over and over, trisher. It’s like Groundhog Day sometimes.

trisher Sun 16-Jan-22 10:35:15

Basically I think what many on this thread really want is to see transpeople pushed back into the closet so they can once again pretend they aren't there. The harm this does isn't considered.

Doodledog Sun 16-Jan-22 10:34:14

GagaJo

I can also see why so many trans people very quietly try to pass and are not open about their trans status. It is dangerous.

Some people are unable to even talk about the issue theoretically without become unpleasant. I can only imagine the thread someone trans would feel.

We are back to ‘some people’? That is a double edged sword, you know. Readers of this thread, if there are any left, can see who is being unpleasant, insulting and disingenuous.

Doodledog Sun 16-Jan-22 10:32:15

trisher

Doodledog wouldn't it be nice if just for once you could actually post an opinion without trying to belittle, accuse, denigrate of otherwise question other posters. In fact wihout naming any other poster, reproducing their words, attempting to twist their meaning and create straw men arguments, or claiming to be a victim when you are called out about something. Just once.

I have never called a poster racist, questioned their professional competence, implied that they don’t care about other people, or employed any of the numerous that have been used against me. As for twisting words, you can not be serious, surely?

I have given my opinion many times- you just don’t like it, so take no notice.

trisher Sun 16-Jan-22 10:30:25

Isn't this a question Doodledog
At present most of the people I know will accept or categorise someone according to their appearance and/or what gender they declare if asked. Transwomen therefore are included in women's facilities and transmen in men's. How do you see that changing if you consider transwomen should not be in women's facilities and how would this be managed?

GagaJo Sun 16-Jan-22 10:28:47

I can also see why so many trans people very quietly try to pass and are not open about their trans status. It is dangerous.

Some people are unable to even talk about the issue theoretically without become unpleasant. I can only imagine the thread someone trans would feel.

trisher Sun 16-Jan-22 10:27:56

GalaxyI fully admit sometimes I get carried away but only in the case of absolute provocation. If the level of debate is lowered by false accusations I'm certainly not going to just lie down and take it.

Doodledog Sun 16-Jan-22 10:27:56

More insults, trisher? Are your posts on this thread approximating the ‘spirit of Gransnet’?

I could try once more but I don't really expect an answer.
If you expect an answer it would be useful if you posed a question.

Galaxy Sun 16-Jan-22 10:27:19

As I have said before I am continually discussing the interventions offered to children with autism, sometimes I suggest that they are not working, sometimes I say they have worked really well, usually I say I think the idea was good but we didnt implement it well. None of this is demonstrating a hostility to children.

trisher Sun 16-Jan-22 10:26:05

Doodledog wouldn't it be nice if just for once you could actually post an opinion without trying to belittle, accuse, denigrate of otherwise question other posters. In fact wihout naming any other poster, reproducing their words, attempting to twist their meaning and create straw men arguments, or claiming to be a victim when you are called out about something. Just once.

Galaxy Sun 16-Jan-22 10:22:33

I dont know how you have the nerve to criticise the level of debate when basically you just called someone thick. Its breathtaking.

trisher Sun 16-Jan-22 10:18:09

Gagajo and Violetsky thankyou for preserving my belief in supportive and inclusive feminism. Sometimes on these threads I really begin to doubt if there are many of us out there.
It is impossibe to ask for any reasonable level of debate possibly because those who are contesting the argument realise the weakness of their case. So they digress into "are these women" or "we are fighting for refuges".
I could try once more but I don't really expect an answer.
If the gender critical want a society that works on sex differences, how do they see that being implemented in everyday life?
At present most of the people I know will accept or categorise someone according to their appearance and/or what gender they declare if asked. Transwomen therefore are included in women's facilities and transmen in men's. How do you see that changing if you consider transwomen should not be in women's facilities and how would this be managed?
(I don't expect any answer to this really)

One thing I have realised, given the level of aggro aimed at those who are trans-inclusive, I can see why young people who are having thoughts of transitioning would have real problems talking openly about it. Which means that if the most important thing for those young people isn't hormone therapy but a sympathetic and understanding society they are pretty much screwed. (Fortunately this is GN and not real life)

Doodledog Sun 16-Jan-22 10:12:29

Cross posted, Galaxy ?

Doodledog Sun 16-Jan-22 10:08:29

I have already listed the ways in which (up to the time of the post) GagJo has twisted posters’ words, accused people of bullying, hostility and bickering, and how she has tried to close off all posts that disagree with her stance with a rather pompously announced ‘statement’ outlining her refusal to engage with what she defines as ‘demands’.

Since then, I have been accused of racism, professional incompetence and an inability to understand the importance of context by trisher. These accusations came after I questioned her attempts to divert the conversation to the usual red herrings of a black athlete with abnormally high levels of testosterone, and of hypothetical ‘butch’ women having to prove that they are female ‘everywhere they go’.

VS’s ‘arguments’ consist of accusations that people are ‘making assumptions’ and suggesting that only she cares about transpeople or children. Oh, and that we haven’t read the research paper that she hasn’t read herself. At the risk of making assumptions, I doubt that either trisher or Gagajo has read it either. Access to academic journals is expensive without access through a university library, and if any of them had read it they would have been able to answer the fairly basic questions about the research process.

After trisher’s latest attack I wasn’t sure whether to return to the thread, so slept on it, and considered the situation this morning. My inclination, in the cold light of day, is to continue what I started to do at the start of the thread, which is to point out the way in which any posts that give a point of view or ask questions that don’t fall in line with the TRA point of view are pushed aside with diversions, insults and accusations.

The thread has descended into an unedifying state, but whilst it might have been easier to walk away, if people point out these DARVO attempts (Divert, Attack, then Reverse the Victim and Offender) it might make the perpetrators less inclined to attempt them in future threads on this important topic. Time will tell.

Galaxy Sun 16-Jan-22 09:49:17

Can you please show where I have silenced people. Again I am going to challenge those posts every time you make them.

Mollygo Sun 16-Jan-22 09:36:32

Funnily enough GJ your words could be taken to support either viewpoint. I see your posts as attempts at same old silencing the gender critical, rather than what you mean it to say.
We all care about children.
Whilst the OP was being addressed most concerns were about whether teenagers should be given hormones. We are expressing concern about the welfare of children and whether effects being largely reversible is an acceptable basis for doing something potentially harmful.
Questioning figures quoted is part of a debate. Questioning the age of the research is surely acceptable, when things change so fast.
Even when Galaxy and 25Avalon pointed out that in more up to date research, (2020-2021) other countries e.g. Canada and Sweden had stopped puberty blockers for minors and given links to read about why that was happening-

genderreport.ca/ and segm.org/ and state that they are concerned about the welfare of children, I couldn’t find any acknowledgement from you about that research.
* Anyone working with young people has a duty of care. And that means being sensitive to any suggestion of trauma/mental health issues.*
I don’t think any poster on here disagrees with that. Showing concern that treatment may be harmful does not mean posters don’t show a duty of care, anymore than posters supporting early medication don’t feel they’re showing a duty of care.
I’m working my way through the rest of the posts, but they seem to go seriously off track.

janeainsworth Sun 16-Jan-22 09:17:28

It's the same old same old silencing of the gender critical. Orchestrated and deliberate
Some mistake surely? Do you mean by the gender critical gj?

Iam64 Sun 16-Jan-22 09:01:39

Lucca

GagaJo

Not VioletSky's fault at all. It's the same old same old silencing of the gender critical. Orchestrated and deliberate.

I’m sorry but I don’t see that I really don’t.

VS. “ *These threads are consistantly turned into exercises in one-upmanship and the importance of our young people growing into healthy happy adults is forgotten*”
. That’s not true at all. Everyone wants young people to grow up healthy and happy, why would anyone want anything else ?

Apologies for a long quote but honestly - it says it all.

It’s offensive to accuse the majority of listers of not caring about the mental and physical health of young people. Offensive and untrue

Lucca Sun 16-Jan-22 07:51:18

GagaJo

Not VioletSky's fault at all. It's the same old same old silencing of the gender critical. Orchestrated and deliberate.

I’m sorry but I don’t see that I really don’t.

VS. “ *These threads are consistantly turned into exercises in one-upmanship and the importance of our young people growing into healthy happy adults is forgotten*”
. That’s not true at all. Everyone wants young people to grow up healthy and happy, why would anyone want anything else ?

GagaJo Sun 16-Jan-22 07:45:02

Not VioletSky's fault at all. It's the same old same old silencing of the gender critical. Orchestrated and deliberate.

Mollygo Sun 16-Jan-22 03:04:33

VioletSky

I just really don't understand how you can reasonably call this debate, let alone anywhere near respectful.

I'm done, no more justifying, arguing, defending or explaining from me

Having read trisher’s posts recent posts ending in the one purporting to be an apology, I agree about the lack of respect.
VS, I don’t understand your posts when they refer to something I can’t find on this thread. Nor do I think your latest posts bear any relationship to the OP.
Then when I do find something I understand, like your last paragraph, it turns out not to be true, as you continue to post stuff unrelated to the OP.
I hope GJ accepts your apology for your deviation from the thread.

VioletSky Sun 16-Jan-22 02:36:47

Well that explains a lot really and why I'm finding things so difficult and not understanding why assumptions are made that I would never think or say, or meanings put to my words that aren't there

I can't possibly engage meaningfully against that

Thank you

Rosie51 Sun 16-Jan-22 02:18:33

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