Princess Grace hospital cancelled vital surgery for woman who requested single-sex care

Lathyrus

growstuff

Fleurpepper

What if she had been attacked by a black woman, or a Jewish man, or a Chinese?

I meant, it is possible to make specific requests, perhaps, in extreme circumstances. But the health services are so stretched, with a great shortage of qualified staff, it is not possible to guarantee what happens on the day.

It's a private hospital. It sounds as though this woman thought her money could buy exactly what she demanded.

I agree with Visgirl that there's more to this story.

Putting aside the moral Euston for the moment.

If we pay for something most of us expect to get what we paid for I suppose.

If the hospital took her money with the agreement that it would be all female staff, that’s what they should have provided. If they couldn’t provide it on the specified day did they breach their contract?

Is selling private medicine is the same as selling anything else?

No, it didn't. No male or trans staff were involved in her care.

Rosie51

^I suspect what happened is that she specified to the private hospital that she wanted all female staff. On the day of the operation, one of the staff turned out to be trans. Nobody else was available. She said she couldn't go ahead. Operation didn't happen as planned.^ your suspicion is totally wrong. They emailed her to say they'd cancelled her operation.

Good on the hospital! She had complained about a trans nurse entering a room where she was. The hospital couldn't comply with her demands and she'd already complained. I can't blame the hospital for not wanting to touch her with a barge pole.

Rosie51

^I suspect what happened is that she specified to the private hospital that she wanted all female staff. On the day of the operation, one of the staff turned out to be trans. Nobody else was available. She said she couldn't go ahead. Operation didn't happen as planned.^ your suspicion is totally wrong. They emailed her to say they'd cancelled her operation.

Yes I know. The reality is even worse. growstuff posted a very instructive link.

question. Euston🙄😬

growstuff

Fleurpepper

What if she had been attacked by a black woman, or a Jewish man, or a Chinese?

I meant, it is possible to make specific requests, perhaps, in extreme circumstances. But the health services are so stretched, with a great shortage of qualified staff, it is not possible to guarantee what happens on the day.

It's a private hospital. It sounds as though this woman thought her money could buy exactly what she demanded.

I agree with Visgirl that there's more to this story.

Putting aside the moral Euston for the moment.

If we pay for something most of us expect to get what we paid for I suppose.

If the hospital took her money with the agreement that it would be all female staff, that’s what they should have provided. If they couldn’t provide it on the specified day did they breach their contract?

Is selling private medicine is the same as selling anything else?

Some women are scared of men volver and for good reason. Racism and what was said 100 years ago are irrelevant.

I suspect what happened is that she specified to the private hospital that she wanted all female staff. On the day of the operation, one of the staff turned out to be trans. Nobody else was available. She said she couldn't go ahead. Operation didn't happen as planned. your suspicion is totally wrong. They emailed her to say they'd cancelled her operation.

growstuff

metro.co.uk/2022/10/20/hospital-cancels-gender-critical-womans-surgery-over-17604469/

Oh good lord...

And I'm sure that racists used to say that it's the colour of their skin that matters, not that they're human.

I think people don't see that they are just repeating things from 100 years ago.

"I'm scared of men so keep that bloke in a dress away from me"

metro.co.uk/2022/10/20/hospital-cancels-gender-critical-womans-surgery-over-17604469/

Well I suppose if you are paying for an op you could specify certain things, but then equally if the supplier wasn't able to meet your demands they have the absolute right to cancel your procedure.
Suppose someone wanted a particular anaesthetist and they were not available, wouldn't that be exactly the same situation? If your demands can't be met then they can't.

volver

I suspect what happened is that she specified to the private hospital that she wanted all female staff. On the day of the operation, one of the staff turned out to be trans. Nobody else was available. She said she couldn't go ahead. Operation didn't happen as planned.

Then roused all the gender warriors and tweeted like it was going out of fashion and made a big thing of it.

I've got little sympathy, sorry.

No trans staff were involved in her care. A trans nurse entered a room where she was - that's all.

Fleurpepper

What if she had been attacked by a black woman, or a Jewish man, or a Chinese?

I meant, it is possible to make specific requests, perhaps, in extreme circumstances. But the health services are so stretched, with a great shortage of qualified staff, it is not possible to guarantee what happens on the day.

It's a private hospital. It sounds as though this woman thought her money could buy exactly what she demanded.

I agree with Visgirl that there's more to this story.

volver

If the patient had been attacked by a Jewish person, would it have been OK to object to having a Jewish person on the medical team?

It's the penis that's the problem, not the religion or race.

My daughter has carers 4 times a day, and once in the night. At the beginning we requested no male carers, as she`d never had anything to do with men at all. They did their best to accommodate us, but as they took on more and more male carers, this wasn`t always possible, and she now accepts care from men as well as women.
If I was very ill and needed treatment right there and then, it wouldn`t matter to me what sex, creed or colour the nurses or doctors were, it doesn`t matter at any time, actually.

I suspect what happened is that she specified to the private hospital that she wanted all female staff. On the day of the operation, one of the staff turned out to be trans. Nobody else was available. She said she couldn't go ahead. Operation didn't happen as planned.

Then roused all the gender warriors and tweeted like it was going out of fashion and made a big thing of it.

I've got little sympathy, sorry.

Lathyrus

I’m afraid there have been proven cases of assault by medical staff with a penis whilst a patient was unconscious.

Whilst I probably wouldn’t worry about the operating theatre because of the number of people there I would be concerned about aftercare if a person with a penis was to be the only one present involved in intimate care whilst I was unconscious.

As she was someone who had experienced assault by a male organ it shouldn’t be difficult to understand why she would feel very vulnerable and powerless.

The trans nurse had no involvement in her care.

From the reports, it looks as though she was trying to make a point even before she arrived at the hospital. The hospital should never have accepted her as a patient with the demands she made.

She was attacked by a man Fleurpepper I don't suppose it matters whether or not he was Jewish or Chinese, a man is a man.

I’m afraid there have been proven cases of assault by medical staff with a penis whilst a patient was unconscious.

Whilst I probably wouldn’t worry about the operating theatre because of the number of people there I would be concerned about aftercare if a person with a penis was to be the only one present involved in intimate care whilst I was unconscious.

As she was someone who had experienced assault by a male organ it shouldn’t be difficult to understand why she would feel very vulnerable and powerless.

What if she had been attacked by a black woman, or a Jewish man, or a Chinese?

I meant, it is possible to make specific requests, perhaps, in extreme circumstances. But the health services are so stretched, with a great shortage of qualified staff, it is not possible to guarantee what happens on the day.

Shelflife

If people are ill and need treatment, does it really matter? For goodness sake let's be grateful for quality medical care . If a nurse caring for me was a trans nurse I would not care, I would just expect quality care.

I read about this woman last week, if you need the Op get it done.

She particularly wanted a female team plus done/assisted by a De Vinci Robot, this is big bucks in the Private Sector.
I think there is more to this story?
I really don't think a Private Hospital would turn this custom down.

BTW, most Big NHS Hospitals have at least one now.

I think patients should accept the staff whatever their gender. I would. I would ask to be on a female ward though as I wouldn’t be comfortable in a mixed ward. However if that was all that was available I’d have to put up with it.

When my elderly mother was in her care home, she refused male carers to deal with her intimate care. She was happy with any other type of care from males though. The home didn’t find it a problem. They simply wrote on her notes that she preferred females for intimate care. They believed in honouring the dignity and choices of the residents.

From the social media messages, it sounds as though the "patient" was more concerned about her beliefs than genuine anxiety.

Maternity care for both my children was overseen by a male consultant. When I was in a high dependency unit after a heart scare, I had a male nurse. After a heart attack, a stent operation, which was inserted through my groin, was performed by males. My breast cancer op was performed by a male. One of the biopsies was done by a male. Two of my five radiotherapy sessions on my breast were done by males.

I couldn't have cared less whether any of the above were trans. I'm very glad to be alive and not to have had procedures postponed while a female was found.