The other C word (Covid)

What is difficult to understand here is how anyone can think that Covid is not dangerous to many people. I have asthma but wasn’t shielding, but I caught Covid despite taking great care and following all the rules. I was in a bubble with my elderly mother who had a fall, was admitted to hospital and came home with Covid, despite us being told she had tested negative. My husband (also in her bubble) visited to move furniture around in order to make room for her new walker, he got it, wasn’t very ill, I got it and was seriously ill. Hospitalised for twelve days, nine different drugs, on oxygen all the time, pneumonia on my lung. Sorry for repeating this but some posters seem to not understand. Posters who say they never had Covid and broke all the rules could have been the reason I and others were so ill. People were spreading this probably because they didn’t know they had it. Imagine if I was so ill, what might have happened to someone like Marydoll and others who needed to shield?
It’s utterly selfish to say I was alright Jack. A pandemic can only be tackled by people working together and following the rules. Millions of people did just that, why did some feel it was their right to break the law?

Builders and other tradesmen were never banned from working. My toilet cistern failed right at the beginning of lockdown. As it happened it took 6 weeks to get a part. Should I have lived with no working loo for several months? What would you have done?
The builders were desperate for work. I was very lucky that my project manager was able to get the very best builders, fitters, electricians, gas fitters, plumbers, decorators etc as so many people were cancelling work. None of these workmen would have broken the law because it wasn’t illegal for them to work.
I have my own reasons for being so angry about the situation where so many sacrificed so much for the few. Covid will always be with us. It will continue to mutate. People will die from Covid as they will from flu and other illnesses. Do you want us all to remain in isolation forever?

Marydoll

*Maddyone*, (and Nanna) thank you for your supportive post. Selfish and uncaring posts can be quite unsettling. Thank goodness I am a very resilient person!

Mom3, what a rotten end to your holiday.💐

A Rine or Danube cruise has always been on my bucket list, along with coach tours around Britain, (can't get travel insurance.) but the possibility of catching Covid has caused them to be put on hold.

It was on our bucket list too, Marydoll but three people we know have come back from different river cruises with Covid. One was very poorly indeed.
Oddly enough, their partners didn't catch it.

Marydoll

MissChateline

“Whilst expecting vulnerable people to live in isolation so you can get on with your life?”
If vulnerable people are in isolation anyway why do they expect everyone else to do the same. Even if they are not vulnerable. This is selfish.
How many of you would take part in a medical trial, with all the risks involved , of a new Covid vaccine in order to find a vaccine which protects everyone better including the vulnerable?

No, I was never a threat to anyone.

I have been part of a number of medical trials, they will not help me, but will hopefully help others. I just don't preach, nor boast about it. about it.

There’s a lot of people out there, quietly taking part in all sorts of medical trials, which won’t necessarily benefit them personally. Either because it’s too late for them but maybe not for someone else, or because they might get the placebo not the hopeful drug.

Taking a risk because there’s not just them in the world with whatever the medical condition is.

My husband was one with chemotherapy. It didn’t work for him. I was part of the first Covid vaccine trials. My children are part of a long term trial.

We’re just a few of many who care about other people, not just ourselves.

I have taken part in a medical trial too.

You can’t possibly say you were never a threat to anyone MissC. You may have had covid and been asymptomatic. What about all those lockdown-ignoring builders and their families and others they mixed with for a start?

MissChateline

“Whilst expecting vulnerable people to live in isolation so you can get on with your life?”
If vulnerable people are in isolation anyway why do they expect everyone else to do the same. Even if they are not vulnerable. This is selfish.
How many of you would take part in a medical trial, with all the risks involved , of a new Covid vaccine in order to find a vaccine which protects everyone better including the vulnerable?

No, I was never a threat to anyone.

I have been part of a number of medical trials, they will not help me, but will hopefully help others. I just don't preach, nor boast about it. about it.

Sorry the last sentence was part of something else. But I was never a threat to anyone.

“Whilst expecting vulnerable people to live in isolation so you can get on with your life?”
If vulnerable people are in isolation anyway why do they expect everyone else to do the same. Even if they are not vulnerable. This is selfish.
How many of you would take part in a medical trial, with all the risks involved , of a new Covid vaccine in order to find a vaccine which protects everyone better including the vulnerable?


No, I was never a threat to anyone.

Germanshepherdsmum

I couldn’t agree more Marydoll. I remember *Miss Chateline*’s comments when she was happily ignoring the rules. People with that sort of attitude are a threat to everyone - it wasn’t by any means only people with known comorbidities who died or were left permanently damaged by covid. Her I’m all right Jack attitude sickens me.

I remeber those posts too, that's why I am so annoyed.

Not lacking in compassion or empathy? Whilst expecting vulnerable people to live in isolation so you can get on with your life?

I couldn’t agree more Marydoll. I remember *Miss Chateline*’s comments when she was happily ignoring the rules. People with that sort of attitude are a threat to everyone - it wasn’t by any means only people with known comorbidities who died or were left permanently damaged by covid. Her I’m all right Jack attitude sickens me.

May I assure you that I’m not lacking in any compassion or empathy for those who had to shield through pre existing health issues. I just think it’s unreasonable for everyone to have to do this to shield the fewer.
I suggest that people have a look at some of the research into how the government scared the living daylights out of everyone when they didn’t know if it was necessary

These vulnerable people are often very isolated already” why do they expect the rest of society to close down when those with vulnerabilities are already shielding.

I have never expected anyone to restrict their activities, due to my vulnerability. What I had hoped for was some compassion and empathy, which is sadly lacking in some posters.

I really think you should read some more reputable research into the effects of C19, MissChateline. Then you might rethink the rather ignorant comments you have made about its effects.

As growstuff pointed out earlier, it is known to be able to attack any organ in the body, which not only makes it completely different from colds and flu, but also has serious long term implications for those who suffer even mild episodes. Bearing this in mind, and knowing that people of any age, including children, can get covid it has always seemed to me that our government's relatively casual attitude to it and its current determination to ignore the fact that it is still rampant, killing people or radically changing their lives, I think we're storing up a lot of trouble for the future.

MissChateline

I don’t know if everything around you closed down but it didn’t around me. Shops stayed open and public transport continued. Essential workers continued to work and I’m sure many more would have done so if they hadn’t been confined to home

Police here were checking people in supermarkets here, asking where they had travelled from. One woman was fined because she had travelled from a different town, only three miles away. She should have shopped in her local supermarket, according to the police.
Lifer was not normal, neither was public transport.

I don’t know if everything around you closed down but it didn’t around me. Shops stayed open and public transport continued. Essential workers continued to work and I’m sure many more would have done so if they hadn’t been confined to home

MayBee70

How could people get on with life as near as possible? The NHS was on its knees. A nurse from the next village to me died of covid. Teachers were coming down with it. Doctors were dying of it. I, too, did everything I could to safeguard the people around me and NHS/shop workers by cutting myself off from pretty much everybody, including my grandchildren and children. My youngest grandchild didn’t know me when I did start looking after him again. Ok, I was protecting myself but,unlike many of the people on their doorsteps clapping for the NHS I did it to protect them and ease their workload.

Exactly!

Have people forgotten what was happening in the countries that were struck with Covid before us, of hospitals that were completely utterly overwhelmed, not just with very sick/ dying patients, but with the staff themselves falling like flies too.

If we had 'carried on as normal', most businesses would have been unable to operate properly anyway as their staff fell ill in large numbers.

No one knew how long it might last, how many it would kill or how many might be left permanently damaged by it.

How on Earth were we meant to carry on as normal through that?

What exactly is selfish and uncaring about not wanting every young person to have a continuous education within an educational environment. Not wanting large numbers of young people to experience debilitating mental health problems or rendering them unemployable due to broken education or mental health issues thus destroying their futures. So many Young people sacrificed their futures for the sake of the few.
What is selfish about wanting the vast numbers of people who are very unlikely to be very unwell to be able to continue with their lives and employment. What is selfish about not wanting the economy to be trashed so that everyone suffers? What is selfish about not wanting the despair of people who died due to the unavailability of any real healthcare during the lockdowns.
Never again should this happen. As nanna8 says “These vulnerable people are often very isolated already” why do they expect the rest of society to close down when those with vulnerabilities are already shielding.

Maddyone, (and Nanna) thank you for your supportive post. Selfish and uncaring posts can be quite unsettling. Thank goodness I am a very resilient person!

Mom3, what a rotten end to your holiday.💐

A Rine or Danube cruise has always been on my bucket list, along with coach tours around Britain, (can't get travel insurance.) but the possibility of catching Covid has caused them to be put on hold.

Because of my health problems I still do a LFT every Saturday. And if I get a cold have to check it's just a cold. As soon as they say we can book Covid vaccine for the winter I will get it booked. Booked my flu jab 2 weeks ago for September. Also from September I will beable to get shingles vaccine as they are lowering the age group for it. So that will also be booked once I know when it's available.

I have been very lucky not to have caught Covid as I have been in close contact with people who then tested positive for. My daughter laughs says she can't understand it as I am a prime candidate to get it. But she and my 2 grandson's have had it once before the vaccine was available for her age group and my son in law has had it twice once when the rest of the family had it. And once a year after being vaccinated.

With the hot weather I had to stop wearing my mask on the bus because it made my breathing harder. But once the autumn chills hit it's back on.

Covid like flu mutants and is here to stay.

These vulnerable people are often very isolated already and I totally agree with Maddyone. It is something we all must take part in and stop being so selfish as to have the ‘I’m alright,Jack’ attitude. I thought that went out with Thatcher. We had one of, if not the, most harsh lockdowns in the world here and were not allowed to travel more than 5 km from home for any reason for a long time. We had to be vaccinated, no choice , or jobs would be forfeit and we weren’t even allowed to go to church without showing our certificates ( after the ban on meeting was lifted) We resented it ,of course, but thousands of lives were saved so looking back it was the right thing at the time. If you have symptoms or are in close contact with a Covid case I think isolation is the only answer.

Get well soon Mom3.

I’m afraid I find it arrogant and selfish to suggest that just the vulnerable should isolate themselves and let everyone else get on with life normally. If that happened, Covid would just keep on circulating because there would be no mitigations in place, and the vulnerable would need to stay locked up forever. No, this had to be tackled together, as as a society. And despite mistakes being made, and things being constantly altered, that’s how we did did it, until the vaccines were able to free us from endless restrictions. I agree with others who have made the points that we did what was necessary until it became unnecessary. I hope it won’t be necessary again because I don’t think the country can afford it, but these new variants are certainly worrying.

I went on a Danube River cruise with a friend. We are both 76, vaccinated and boosted. We had a wonderful time but both tested positive four days ago. DH is staying nearby at our daughter's house until I test negative. I'm thankful I was prescribed Paxlovid. I had a temp of 100.7, but normal now. My appetite is down and I've had no desire for an evening glass of wine or beer. I've been sleeping in the daytime a lot.

I’m taking part in this trial to help with the progress of medicines because I am lucky enough to be nearly 70 and have never had a days serious illness in my life. It is something that I can do for society and to help make more vulnerable people safer.
I don’t think that I’m omnipotent at all. I caught Covid for the first time at the end of last year. I lost my sense of smell and taste. What I don’t agree with is the locking up of everyone in order to protect the few who were more than capable of shielding themselves.

So if you’re not vulnerable why are you having a vaccine that a vulnerable person could have? Have you told the people organising this trial that you totally ignored lockdown rules? I said at the time and I still believe it that people that had covid mildly or didn’t catch it at all seem to think they’re omnipotent in some way. I still haven’t had it so, as far as I’m concerned, covid is still like Russian roulette and I have no idea how my body is going to react to it.