The other C word (Covid)

That if you are vulnerable you isolate and keep yourself away from the possibility of catching anything and if you are not vulnerable you get on with life as normally as possible.

MissChateline

Then we are agreed. If you know that you are vulnerable then you take the decision to shield and isolate. That keeps you safe. It also means that the rest of society can function in some capacity.

Agree???

As long as the rest of society is OK, let's lock up the vulnerable. so that the rest of you can get on with your lives.

I firmly believe that after experiencing two years of isolation, there has to be an alternative. What it is, I have no idea!
The effects of isolation, lonliness and fear of dying of Covid, had the most dreadful effect on my mental and emotional wellbeing.
No hospital treatment, for multiple comorbidities, even after a heart attack, (too risky) was awful. I felt I had been written off!
Perhaps all the CEV should have euthanised, in order to take the pressure off the NHS and let others function in some capacity.

Then we are agreed
How, exactly?

Then we are agreed. If you know that you are vulnerable then you take the decision to shield and isolate. That keeps you safe. It also means that the rest of society can function in some capacity.

MissChateline

Yes, I do agree that vulnerable people should have isolated themselves and the rest of society should have been allowed to get on with their lives as normal as possible. If I had been vulnerable at all I would have taken greater precautions and kept myself safe. But I’m not vulnerable. Neither did I contract covid so didn’t infect anyone else. On the whole the people who were very ill were those with underlying health conditions and they knew who they were. They could choose to isolate. I think that we all had a personal responsibility to look after our own health and for many if us this wasn’t harming our mental health and physical health by sitting at home in our own for months on end.
Never again should this happen.

Much of that is untrue.

Covid hit in unexpected places and previously fit people died or have been left with lasting health problems.

growstuff

MissChateline

I don’t believe in herd immunity. It was never going to happen. But I do believe in allowing each person to be able to do what they felt right for themselves to reduce their own likelihood of being Ill. Rather than sacrificing the young people who were far less likely to be ill to the draconian measures that were inflicted on them and which has damaged an entire generation. The vulnerable could choose to isolate themselves. The rest of us could get on with life as near to normal as possible.
Having the vaccine was one way I chose to reduce my own vulnerability. Some people chose not to have it. I chose to continue to mix with other people during lockdown including about 20 different workmen who were renovating my house at the time. No one wore masks. I chose to go out several times a day hiking on the hills and see my children and neighbours. I chose not to bleach my cabbages or microwave my newspaper. Some people chose to continue to wear masks and not go to crowded places still.

So you really don't care that you could have been infecting vulnerable people? Do you think it's right that the elderly and those at high risk should have been isolated in their homes, while everybody else was gadding about without a thought for others?

For those of us, who are CEV, Covid is a killer.

I totally agree with you Growstuff.
I was advised that I would die if I caught Covid and had to shield. There would be no point in me going to ICU and a DNR notice had been put on my records.
I did not choose to isolate myself, I had no alternative, given the predicted outcome. 😡

Yes, I do agree that vulnerable people should have isolated themselves and the rest of society should have been allowed to get on with their lives as normal as possible. If I had been vulnerable at all I would have taken greater precautions and kept myself safe. But I’m not vulnerable. Neither did I contract covid so didn’t infect anyone else. On the whole the people who were very ill were those with underlying health conditions and they knew who they were. They could choose to isolate. I think that we all had a personal responsibility to look after our own health and for many if us this wasn’t harming our mental health and physical health by sitting at home in our own for months on end.
Never again should this happen.

How could people get on with life as near as possible? The NHS was on its knees. A nurse from the next village to me died of covid. Teachers were coming down with it. Doctors were dying of it. I, too, did everything I could to safeguard the people around me and NHS/shop workers by cutting myself off from pretty much everybody, including my grandchildren and children. My youngest grandchild didn’t know me when I did start looking after him again. Ok, I was protecting myself but,unlike many of the people on their doorsteps clapping for the NHS I did it to protect them and ease their workload.

MissChateline

I don’t believe in herd immunity. It was never going to happen. But I do believe in allowing each person to be able to do what they felt right for themselves to reduce their own likelihood of being Ill. Rather than sacrificing the young people who were far less likely to be ill to the draconian measures that were inflicted on them and which has damaged an entire generation. The vulnerable could choose to isolate themselves. The rest of us could get on with life as near to normal as possible.
Having the vaccine was one way I chose to reduce my own vulnerability. Some people chose not to have it. I chose to continue to mix with other people during lockdown including about 20 different workmen who were renovating my house at the time. No one wore masks. I chose to go out several times a day hiking on the hills and see my children and neighbours. I chose not to bleach my cabbages or microwave my newspaper. Some people chose to continue to wear masks and not go to crowded places still.

So you really don't care that you could have been infecting vulnerable people? Do you think it's right that the elderly and those at high risk should have been isolated in their homes, while everybody else was gadding about without a thought for others?

MissChateline

Am I right in believing that Sweden didn’t lock down, didn’t close schools etc and their outcome was better than here in the UK. They expected the population to take responsibility for themselves and they did. We should never have destroyed our economy or subjected the population to the torture of enforced isolation which has resulted in such a high level of mental health issues and wrecked the education for so many of our children.

No, you're not right. Large gatherings (more than 8 people) were banned. Secondary schools and institutes of higher education were recommended to work online and eventually closed for a period. The number of deaths in care homes was high and eventually people were recommended not to visit their relatives and were then banned. Initially, face masks weren't recommended but eventually they were. People were advised to work at home if they could and about 50% did. Social distancing was recommended and there were restrictions on travel.

I don’t believe in herd immunity. It was never going to happen. But I do believe in allowing each person to be able to do what they felt right for themselves to reduce their own likelihood of being Ill. Rather than sacrificing the young people who were far less likely to be ill to the draconian measures that were inflicted on them and which has damaged an entire generation. The vulnerable could choose to isolate themselves. The rest of us could get on with life as near to normal as possible.
Having the vaccine was one way I chose to reduce my own vulnerability. Some people chose not to have it. I chose to continue to mix with other people during lockdown including about 20 different workmen who were renovating my house at the time. No one wore masks. I chose to go out several times a day hiking on the hills and see my children and neighbours. I chose not to bleach my cabbages or microwave my newspaper. Some people chose to continue to wear masks and not go to crowded places still.

I can only suggest that you Google it and read the various reports on the Swedish experiment because it’s quite complicated. From what I’ve read they withheld treatment from some vulnerable people and their economy didn’t fare better than their neighbouring Scandinavian countries. Even if there wasn’t a lockdown there were still restrictions. And it’s difficult to compare to other countries because of population density etc. But I don’t understand why, if you’re in favour of some sort of herd immunity (which doesn’t seem to be possible with covid) you’re having the vaccine?

Am I right in believing that Sweden didn’t lock down, didn’t close schools etc and their outcome was better than here in the UK. They expected the population to take responsibility for themselves and they did. We should never have destroyed our economy or subjected the population to the torture of enforced isolation which has resulted in such a high level of mental health issues and wrecked the education for so many of our children.

MissChateline

I’m taking part in a Covid vaccine medical trial. I’ve been given a Moderna vaccine, either the regular one or a tweaked one a couple of weeks ago. I won’t know for 12 months which one it was. This will be my 5th dose.
We can not keep running away from this. Like others have said, people die of flu. It’s up to each one of us to take the precautions we feel are personally required. This is what should have happened from the start of the pandemic. Maybe we we wouldn’t be in the NHS backlog and economic m as we are in.

Hang in a minute. Are you saying that it would have been better to let it rip through the population initially. And now saying it’s down to personal responsibility. Whilst being someone that is still having the vaccine that people like me can’t have even though we would like to have it??

MissChateline The trouble with that approach is that are people like luluaugust' daughter's colleague, who are irresponsible and selfish.

DD2 caught it from a work colleague who knew they had it but didn't feel ill. She didn't tell my daughter who had lunch with her. This meant that DD2 never got to see DD1 until the last day of her holiday here. They rarely have a chance to meet and it was a great shame but now there is no bar on going anywhere with it if you feel ok obviously it is going to spread quickly. We now know people who have suffered from long Covid and one who has suffered from having the vaccine.

I’m taking part in a Covid vaccine medical trial. I’ve been given a Moderna vaccine, either the regular one or a tweaked one a couple of weeks ago. I won’t know for 12 months which one it was. This will be my 5th dose.
We can not keep running away from this. Like others have said, people die of flu. It’s up to each one of us to take the precautions we feel are personally required. This is what should have happened from the start of the pandemic. Maybe we we wouldn’t be in the NHS backlog and economic m as we are in.

CatsCatsCats

^It isn’t like the common cold and it isn’t like flu. ^

But it is exactly like a common cold and like the flu. Both unpleasant, especially flu, just like Covid. And people do die of the flu, still. But they also die of other things that were neglected during the Covid crisis, e.g. cancer.

And all the damage caused by the panicked reaction to Covid - I never want to see that again. For me, personally, that was far, far worse than the disease itself ever was.

No, it isn't like a common cold or flu. Potentially, Covid affects every part of the body, including the brain, and the effects can be long-term. Neither a cold or flu does that.

CatsCatsCats

^It isn’t like the common cold and it isn’t like flu. ^

But it is exactly like a common cold and like the flu. Both unpleasant, especially flu, just like Covid. And people do die of the flu, still. But they also die of other things that were neglected during the Covid crisis, e.g. cancer.

And all the damage caused by the panicked reaction to Covid - I never want to see that again. For me, personally, that was far, far worse than the disease itself ever was.

It might have been for you CatsCatsCats but it wasn’t for me. I nearly died with it, twelve days in hospital, nine different drugs, pneumonia on my lung, on oxygen for eleven days. Now I’ve got nerve problems in my hand and evidence emerging that Covid causes nerve damage. So probably not good to say it’s not so bad. It’s not, if you don’t have it bad!

CatsCatsCats

^It isn’t like the common cold and it isn’t like flu. ^

But it is exactly like a common cold and like the flu. Both unpleasant, especially flu, just like Covid. And people do die of the flu, still. But they also die of other things that were neglected during the Covid crisis, e.g. cancer.

And all the damage caused by the panicked reaction to Covid - I never want to see that again. For me, personally, that was far, far worse than the disease itself ever was.

Prior to the vaccine covid was a killer. And, if it was done in what seemed to be a panic it was because the government chose to ignore what was happening in other parts of the world because they were too busy getting Brexit done (along with, in the case of Johnson, sorting out his personal life). The government had been offered the means by which testing could be done (please listen to the The Rest is Politics Leading interview with Paul Church’: but hey, why take the advice of a Nobel Science winning scientist when you’ve got Matt Hancock sorting everything out) but they chose to wait until they could hand out lucrative contracts to their mates.

My son has Covid he’s really poorly with it .it’s totally wiped him out .he’s fit and only in his 40s

Covid.... yes its alive and kicking in me and my husband. I hadn't given it much thought to be honest considering it wasn't in the news 24/7 and in everyone's conversation. So when he said he felt rough and lifeless, I thought surely it cant be Covid!! So he did a test ( I have some tests under the stairs ) lo and behold it was, then the following day I had runny nose, headache blah blah so once again under the stairs I ventured for my own test and yep..... I had it too.

Now he is feeling back to normal ( so much so that he is cutting the lawn !! ) and me? Well I resemble a limp lettuce.

It isn’t like the common cold and it isn’t like flu.

But it is exactly like a common cold and like the flu. Both unpleasant, especially flu, just like Covid. And people do die of the flu, still. But they also die of other things that were neglected during the Covid crisis, e.g. cancer.

And all the damage caused by the panicked reaction to Covid - I never want to see that again. For me, personally, that was far, far worse than the disease itself ever was.

You can still get free vaccinations here ( so far ). Covid is still around and quite a few still wear masks in public.

I’ve had a look on the government website and it says that some people will be offered vaccinations in Autumn. I’m 70 now and hoping that I’ll be offered a vaccine this time round. The European Centre for the Prevention of Disease and Control is advising vaccinations this Autumn for 60 years and older. Hoping our government takes notice.