Why are we angry?

I couldn't agree more Coco12; I think Covid, the lockdown, isolation, social media, this hopeless Conservative government and what seems like a tsunami of bad news on the tv has had a detrimental effect on our mental health. Yes, there are little pockets of pleasure and calm when we are with friends and family but nothing feels the same. We live in North Norfolk and now go into our local town only when absolutely necessary. It is rammed with people on holiday and second home owners, most of the small local shops have gone although a few are hanging on. What I notice the most is the standard of driving, it is abysmal !! Everyone seems to be rushing, we see an example of road rage every single time we go out and yes, anger seems to lie just under the surface and it is very sad. I recently had to attend A&E at our hospital in Norwich and every member of staff was charming and helpful, despite being under enormous pressure. Apart from two people they were from other countries so when we pull up the UK drawbridge we must remember how much we have relied on immigration in the past.

The angry people I come across are on GN along with vox pops on news bulletins and politicians (difficult to tell if politicos are angry or just shouty)

In every day life family and friends are just living their lives the best they can, taking things in their stride.

buffyfly9

I couldn't agree more Coco12; I think Covid, the lockdown, isolation, social media, this hopeless Conservative government and what seems like a tsunami of bad news on the tv has had a detrimental effect on our mental health. Yes, there are little pockets of pleasure and calm when we are with friends and family but nothing feels the same. We live in North Norfolk and now go into our local town only when absolutely necessary. It is rammed with people on holiday and second home owners, most of the small local shops have gone although a few are hanging on. What I notice the most is the standard of driving, it is abysmal !! Everyone seems to be rushing, we see an example of road rage every single time we go out and yes, anger seems to lie just under the surface and it is very sad. I recently had to attend A&E at our hospital in Norwich and every member of staff was charming and helpful, despite being under enormous pressure. Apart from two people they were from other countries so when we pull up the UK drawbridge we must remember how much we have relied on immigration in the past.

buffyfly9 I had a procedure in NHS yesterday and reflected the same about the staff, and how many more died for us in Covid.
The waves of anger directed at the vulnerable need to be re-directed to those in power.

I guess people do get angry when they realise they can't control anything so much has changed in the past 5 years or so and yes some driving is just awful.

I’m with GG3.
Although not really a reality type of programme watcher, I’m amazed how some of the participants ‘kick-off’ at the least bit thing - a look, a broken nail - it could be anything. It seems to have filtered down and I’ve overheard rants between friends over the most trivial subject, complete with expressive arm and facial gestures.
We’re still a laid back bunch in the North East - a smile and a word for anyone.
Gan canny mind Pet!

Theexwife

For me, it is social media, I get caught up in other people's anger about events or situations, getting angry about things I would have no knowledge of if I hadn’t read about them.

Even on this forum, I feel angry about the views others have, again I would not have known if not for my time spent on social media.

I wonder if this affects other people the same and for some, it carries on in day-to-day life.

I have recently realised that social media is having the same effect on me.

For a while, I was using MumsNet as well as GransNet, but have very recently stopped because of how angry it was making me. I'm not talking about feeling a bit irritated, but full-on anger-induced anxiety-type symptoms!
Posts on there can be so blunt, uncaring and downright nasty, and hatred towards both the elderly and in particular, mothers-in-law, is very widespread.
The trouble is, participating on such sites can become genuinely addictive, and it took quite a while for me to a) acknowledge the damage it was doing me and b) step away from it for the sake of my mental health.

GransNet can still raise my blood-pressure, but to nowhere near the level that MumsNet did.

I suppose I can't blame all my anger on social media, as there are a lot of other things in my life currently that I can't control and that are making me more stressed and more angry than I have ever been before, but it has certainly contributed.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I agree with Primrose53. This country is in a mess and it is predominantly due to migration and the government's lack of action. The crime rate has massively increased and the immigrants form a high percentage of it, this is a fact.
I know I will get a backlash for stating MY opinion but I am not being offensive - it is how I see things and, yes, it makes me very angry.

Juliet Are you talking about immigrant boats arriving here or immigrants arriving by other means?

If immigrant boats were arriving and disgorging immigrants without being stopped than we would find the empty boats they came over in littering our beaches. None of the criminals running these boats, want to be caught, so they themselves are not on the boats. The navigation and steering is placed in the hands of one of the immigrants. So these boats do not unload and make a return journey, unstopped boats would be found abandoned on our beaches.

If you mean immigrants smuggling themselves in other ways, then no one can completely stop that unless every lorry, van and car is stopped at the port and made to completely empty itself and be xrayed, which would bring sea transport to a complete halt.

We cross the channel regularly and see all the equipment that the customs people on both sides of the channel use to stop smuggling in of immigrants, gas sensing wands, scanners, personal inspections. And that is just what we see, they also have other means that we do not see.

When we came back from France last week, every single car with a roof box was being put through customs inspection at Ouistrehem. Boxes opened and partially emptied, boots and interiors throughly inspected and, if necessary unloaded.

On the UK side every single caravan , camper van, trailer and van is opened up and inspected when you go through passport control and the customs officers have a list of vehicles that they pull in after they have come through passport controls - and this happens every time. The lorries go through similar procedures

We make this journey up to 10 times a year, and we get pulled in every so often even though we have an estate car and the contents in the back are visible to view.

Yes, other immigrants do get throughillegally, but not in huge numbers. Procedures at ports are very thorough and much of the searchcing is information based, ad the random search programme continues.

A net immigration figure of 300,000 people each year is bound to impact on all government services.

I can`t remember the last time i got angry,or Dh,
But 2 of the neighbours can`t talk without shouting and getting angry,i can hear every word she says through the walls.
Who needs soaps eh ?.

GrannyGravy13

The angry people I come across are on GN along with vox pops on news bulletins and politicians (difficult to tell if politicos are angry or just shouty)

In every day life family and friends are just living their lives the best they can, taking things in their stride.

Hear, hear!

GrannyGravy13

The angry people I come across are on GN along with vox pops on news bulletins and politicians (difficult to tell if politicos are angry or just shouty)

In every day life family and friends are just living their lives the best they can, taking things in their stride.

It is very possible to be both happy, positive, friendly, funny, caring in every day life ... and be angry at what is being done and has been done for so many years, to this amazing country. No contradiction there at all.

fancythat

A net immigration figure of 300,000 people each year is bound to impact on all government services.

Many of those are in the UK perfectly legally, paying taxes and the immigration surcharge of up to £1035 a year. Many UK higher education courses wouldn't run without immigrants.

GrannyGravy13

The angry people I come across are on GN along with vox pops on news bulletins and politicians (difficult to tell if politicos are angry or just shouty)

In every day life family and friends are just living their lives the best they can, taking things in their stride.

Same here GG.

Lovetopaint037

Everywhere there appears to be uncertainty and fear. The media reminds us on a daily basis that the climate is getting worse with more to fear from fires etc. We are afraid to be in need of medical help as it is unlikely we are going to be treated in time to prevent more suffering. Dental treatment is outrageously expensive or unable to be obtained easily.The cost of living is an ever increasing problem with young people facing uncertainty as to what they will be paying for mortgages etc. Covid also left us with a sense of vulnerability that we didn’t have before. Then people dying in an attempt to get here in woefully inadequate dinghy’s or boats. Then the woefully inadequate processing system which has led to so many immigrants roaming around in certain areas unable to work or be of use while locals view them with suspicion. Politicians who lie or give handouts for personal gain. An infrastructure that has been underfunded for years which is highlighted when any pressure is put upon it. Yet staff can’t be found for so many restaurants, care homes, hotels etc etc. Then there are the strikes of doctors, train operators etc etc. Surely all these factors impinge on our daily sense of uncertainty and therefore peace of mind. So what to do? We carry on regardless and glean every happiness we can find in relationships, humour and look forward to better times while grateful for the blessings we have now.

Pretty much sums it up for me too.

Primrose53

I know a lot of people who are very angry about the daily influx of hundreds of people on rubber dinghies. They are angry because people already living here are waiting for social housing, dental care, operations, school places etc. They find the daily news reports depressing as nobody seems to be sorting this out.

I know this will offend some people on here but it is true. It is the most talked about topic we hear from all our customers. Some say “don’t even start me on this. I am sick of it.”

This.

I think a lot of optimism as gone from people as we have seen that our freedom can be taken from us so easily. That brings general disagreeableness and anger. The constant media message is negative. I’m trying to do more happiness-affirming things with my family more recently so my little one doesn’t grow up full of doom and gloom.

I get very angry about what is being done to this country, and try not to think too much about it for the sake of my blood pressure. What nakes me really angry is some posters on here assuming that they are right with their "facts" on asylum seekers (not 'illegals), if you seriously believe that the catastrophic state of the NHS, as illustrated by comments on here, is down to the recent number of people seeking sanctuary here, and not down to deliberate Tory policies such as austerity, then.....that makes me angry. Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and their sneering abuse of their positions, that makes me angry. Michelle Mone, and her multi million pound rip off of the taxpayer, that makes me angry. A few desperate individuals from Afghanistan or Iraq do not.

growstuff

fancythat

A net immigration figure of 300,000 people each year is bound to impact on all government services.

Many of those are in the UK perfectly legally, paying taxes and the immigration surcharge of up to £1035 a year. Many UK higher education courses wouldn't run without immigrants.

Many of those are in the UK perfectly legally, paying taxes and the immigration surcharge of up to £1035 a year.

I didnt say they weren't.

That doesnt alter what I wrote.

Fancythat
A net immigration figure of 300,000 people each year is bound to impact on all government services.

It all depends from which direction you are looking. The NHS would collapse totally without the many medical staff that come in every year from all over the world to diagnose treat and nudse us, the smae again with social care.

We all saw the effect the major return home of EU immigrants after Brexit and as a result of COVID, building trades short of craftsmen, hospitality.

Yes, all government areas would struggle without those immigrants

I assume that is what you meant.

fancythat

growstuff

fancythat

A net immigration figure of 300,000 people each year is bound to impact on all government services.

Many of those are in the UK perfectly legally, paying taxes and the immigration surcharge of up to £1035 a year. Many UK higher education courses wouldn't run without immigrants.

Many of those are in the UK perfectly legally, paying taxes and the immigration surcharge of up to £1035 a year.

I didnt say they weren't.

That doesnt alter what I wrote.

Considering the financial contribution made to the economy by immigrants, it's a shame doesn't use the money to invest in infrastructure.

Since 2017, I've worked quite hard not to get angry about anything I can't change. It's just not worth it. If I can make a difference, I try hard to do that too.

M0nica

Fancythat
A net immigration figure of 300,000 people each year is bound to impact on all government services.

It all depends from which direction you are looking. The NHS would collapse totally without the many medical staff that come in every year from all over the world to diagnose treat and nudse us, the smae again with social care.

We all saw the effect the major return home of EU immigrants after Brexit and as a result of COVID, building trades short of craftsmen, hospitality.

Yes, all government areas would struggle without those immigrants

I assume that is what you meant.

Increase of 45, 000 boat migrants per year. Last 3 years or thereabouts. 255,000 net increase of others or thereabouts.

Government services creaking or worse.

So "boat migrants" don't even constitute the majority of immigrants.

I am not angry - I am just sad.
I am sad that the NHS is failing, that there are people who feel they have to flee their countries to get a better life, that many of my friends are struggling with health issues and poverty.