Why are we angry?

GrannyGravy13

The angry people I come across are on GN along with vox pops on news bulletins and politicians (difficult to tell if politicos are angry or just shouty)

In every day life family and friends are just living their lives the best they can, taking things in their stride.

I agrée GG13, particularly your last sentence, that’s my experience of our friends and family.

growstuff

So "boat migrants" don't even constitute the majority of immigrants.

Again, I didnt say they did.

This country is in a mess and it is predominantly due to migration and the government's lack of action. The crime rate has massively increased and the immigrants form a high percentage of it, this is a fact.
Spot, on Elless.
This IS a fact and everyone knows it.

I find myself sad, not angry, with situations in the world. Ukraine, Russia, Maui, and the news from Atlanta - all quite worrisome.

I'm generally a happy person. However, sadness creeps in.

I wish medical care was better, without necessity of private treatment, I wish pay and pensions could be adjusted upward.

M0nica

Juliet Are you talking about immigrant boats arriving here or immigrants arriving by other means?

If immigrant boats were arriving and disgorging immigrants without being stopped than we would find the empty boats they came over in littering our beaches. None of the criminals running these boats, want to be caught, so they themselves are not on the boats. The navigation and steering is placed in the hands of one of the immigrants. So these boats do not unload and make a return journey, unstopped boats would be found abandoned on our beaches.

If you mean immigrants smuggling themselves in other ways, then no one can completely stop that unless every lorry, van and car is stopped at the port and made to completely empty itself and be xrayed, which would bring sea transport to a complete halt.

We cross the channel regularly and see all the equipment that the customs people on both sides of the channel use to stop smuggling in of immigrants, gas sensing wands, scanners, personal inspections. And that is just what we see, they also have other means that we do not see.

When we came back from France last week, every single car with a roof box was being put through customs inspection at Ouistrehem. Boxes opened and partially emptied, boots and interiors throughly inspected and, if necessary unloaded.

On the UK side every single caravan , camper van, trailer and van is opened up and inspected when you go through passport control and the customs officers have a list of vehicles that they pull in after they have come through passport controls - and this happens every time. The lorries go through similar procedures

We make this journey up to 10 times a year, and we get pulled in every so often even though we have an estate car and the contents in the back are visible to view.

Yes, other immigrants do get throughillegally, but not in huge numbers. Procedures at ports are very thorough and much of the searchcing is information based, ad the random search programme continues.

Just think how much money the government could save, and the amount of time and frustration to people like MOnica, simply by creating safe routes for asylum seekers, and providing a decent efficient processing of asylum claims.

I think when people experience poor or absent service from many public bodies including health and social care and feel they cannot influence them to improve then they have a right to be angry, especially with this rotten government.

Actually there was 660,000 net immigration last year. Over one million people actually immigrated, but also some emigrated, leaving the net figure. The boat migrants aren’t counted in that figure because they haven’t been processed. The 660,000 were legal immigrants. It’s been announced today that 45,000 people have entered the country via boats since Rishi Sunak entered office as PM.
Of those who entered legally with visas, many work in health care and hospitals. Many are Ukrainians, some of whom are able to work because they speak English, others don’t speak English and so it’s more difficult for them, but some may work, I don’t know. Many others are students who often bring their families with them.
All require housing, medical care, dentists, and schools if they have children.
Some will add to the general congestion because they will buy cars.
All will require energy to heat homes and fuel for any cars they drive.
Some will require help from the benefit system whilst others will pay taxes and insurance contributions.
All will ‘consume’ and therefore contribute to growth in the economy.

You are looking at a lot of different figures to me, but whatever.

I also disagree with your summation about growth.

I am conscious that this thread is about being angry in general, so I will leave this specific subject now.

On page one of this thread I gave the following figures and their sources

The latest estimates on migration from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) suggest that in 2022: 1.2 million people migrated into the UK and 557,000 people emigrated from it, leaving a net migration figure of 606,000 as of the end of June 2022. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06077/ According to the latest data from the Home Office, 45,755 people reached the UK in 2022 www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=How+many+immigrants+came+to+yk+by+boat

I think we can take these figures as theofficial stats and the ones that should form the basis of our discussions here.

The 45,755 refers to those landing from boats.

fancythat

growstuff

So "boat migrants" don't even constitute the majority of immigrants.

Again, I didnt say they did.

And I didn't say that you did, but to blame a relatively small group of country for the country's ills (as some have done) is ludicrous.

maddyone

Actually there was 660,000 net immigration last year. Over one million people actually immigrated, but also some emigrated, leaving the net figure. The boat migrants aren’t counted in that figure because they haven’t been processed. The 660,000 were legal immigrants. It’s been announced today that 45,000 people have entered the country via boats since Rishi Sunak entered office as PM.
Of those who entered legally with visas, many work in health care and hospitals. Many are Ukrainians, some of whom are able to work because they speak English, others don’t speak English and so it’s more difficult for them, but some may work, I don’t know. Many others are students who often bring their families with them.
All require housing, medical care, dentists, and schools if they have children.
Some will add to the general congestion because they will buy cars.
All will require energy to heat homes and fuel for any cars they drive.
Some will require help from the benefit system whilst others will pay taxes and insurance contributions.
All will ‘consume’ and therefore contribute to growth in the economy.

And the majority of them contribute towards economic growth, including paying the direct immigration surcharge, so why doesn't the government use that money to improve infrastructure, including housing, healthcare and education? They're paying for it after all.

Skydancer

*This country is in a mess and it is predominantly due to migration and the government's lack of action. The crime rate has massively increased and the immigrants form a high percentage of it, this is a fact.*
Spot, on Elless.
This IS a fact and everyone knows it.

I don't know it.

growstuff

fancythat

growstuff

So "boat migrants" don't even constitute the majority of immigrants.

Again, I didnt say they did.

And I didn't say that you did, but to blame a relatively small group of country for the country's ills (as some have done) is ludicrous.

It is, thank you.

Could we have links to the government statistics that show that
The crime rate has massively increased and the immigrants form a high percentage of it, this is a fact.

Can we get back on topic please. “Why are we angry?”

Primrose you mentioned the topic that led to the diversion.

I am another who is not normally angry and certainly not in a way that affects other people. I just get spurts of anger, when I read of the actions of other people, in government in this country and elsewhere and their indifference to the suffering their actions cause to other people.

I'm not sure that anyone I know is particularly angry, but maybe more frustrated with things outside their control than usual.

I'm annoyed the summer, in terms of the weather, has been rubbish this year. Though others might be happy with that.

What about people feeling scared? Still recovering from lockdown opening up? I think this is a big one. For some, learning how to socialise again, anxiety etc..

Lovetopaint037
This post says it for me too.

People around here aren't angry - and certainly don't blame immigrants for anything - they're just very disappointed in the government, that's all.

(I'm sure the government are delighted that some people blame immigrants.)

coco12

What about people feeling scared? Still recovering from lockdown opening up? I think this is a big one. For some, learning how to socialise again, anxiety etc..

learning how to socialise again
Life went back to normal in January 2022, that’s 17 months ago.
I think if people aren’t socialised now, they never will be.

MerylStreep

coco12

What about people feeling scared? Still recovering from lockdown opening up? I think this is a big one. For some, learning how to socialise again, anxiety etc..

learning how to socialise again
Life went back to normal in January 2022, that’s 17 months ago.
I think if people aren’t socialised now, they never will be.

Life didn’t go back to normal for many people. Some people have lost their confidence to go out of their homes. Age UK are still offering walking buddies and home support visits, but if the fear of contracting Covid is still strong some are unable to break that fear and join the world again. It’s very sad for them, but I would still hope for their sake that at some point they will.

I think some are socialising or trying but struggling with it.
So many people say when we were in lockdown we had peace in a way, yes we were bored, fed up and worried about our health of course but... we didn't have to go anywhere or make any decisions, it had a certain freedom about it

I agree. It’s been a long time now.