I'm amazed poo survives a cycle in the washing machine!
Is this behaviour appropriate.
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Advice on how to tackle the following would be greatly appreciated.
I live in a housing association independent retirement living complex for over 55s. We have a communal laundry with 2 washing machines and 2 dryers. For the last year or so we have regularly found lumps of poo in the washing machines. One of the residents should really be in a care home as he is bed bound and cannot use the toilet or even leave his apartment. He has carers several times per day. It is known that he refuses to wear incontinence pads so the carers have to change his sheets on every visit. It seems they must sometimes put the sheets in the machine with the poo still wrapped in them. This is then found (or not yuck!) by the next resident to use the machine. Photos have been taken for evidence and provided to management on multiple occasions. They claim to have contacted the care agency who say they have passed messages to their carers to ensure it doesn’t happen again. This has now been going on for almost a year. I know that because, as one of the newer residents, the first time I became aware of it I arranged to have my own washing machine delivered and plumbed in. I’m lucky that I have one of the larger apartments to accommodate this. One other resident has done the same but the rest don’t have room for their own washer. Management claim there’s nothing more they can do as they say it would be discriminatory to speak to the resident himself and that he must remain anonymous. We have suggested that the company use their contingency funds, available to any resident in need, to purchase a machine and plumb it in his own apartment for his individual use. This is obviously a health & safety issue for the rest of the residents. Sometimes people forget to check the machine before they use it and find the poo when taking their washing out. Then they have to wash it all over again. We’ve been told when we find it, to label the machine out of order until the cleaner is on duty to disinfect it. We are all insistent that it’s not the resident’s fault. He can’t help what he does and anyway, it’s not him who is putting the offending sheets into the machines. Does anyone have any suggestions of what could be done, or even what can be said to the management? It’s driving us all crazy. We’re sick of the possibility of walking around in clothes that have been washed in poo! Also, isn’t there some kind of health requirement that says soiled laundry can’t be washed in communal washers but must be dealt with by a specialist laundry service? I ask this because we recently had replacement washing machines as the old ones were umpteen years old. The machines were designated ‘heavy domestic’ and ‘not for the use of laundering soiled clothing or bedding’, in other words not for use in care homes. Some residents are wary of the H&S issue as it has been suggested the communal laundry could be closed down if it’s found to be a health hazard in this way.
I'm amazed poo survives a cycle in the washing machine!
The guy may change his mind when his weekly shop has to include all the other items that he'll need instead of free pads.
NHS might not supply those mats.
but you can buy puppy pads from pets-at-home, poundstretcher, et al which are useful and reasonably priced.
they are usually square, seat sized, but a few can be strategically placed in the bed.
puppy training pads, 100 for about £16.
It may not be the person you think it is.
The CQC are, unfortunately, pretty useless.
I would threaten to report the care agency to the "quality care commission" they will soon get their act together.
I know the person doesn't want to wear incontinence pads but you can get incontinence sheets they cover the middle of the bed, to put under them , these can absorb/ catch the worst of it and can be disposed of like the pads, soiled waste can be collected by the council. I am surprised the carers and their agency are not aware of them. They can be supplied by the NHS like incontinence pads.
This is so dangerous, I would get in touch with public Health and the Environment Agency. Also the company who manages the carers. I would not let this go, go to the papers, protest. Someone has to be held to account. The Care Home is negligent and it’s against the law.
Yes, that too.
Hopefully competent carers can ensure he does. (By threatening him he'll have to go in a home if he doesnt
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And to wear the pads.
All he needs is competent carers.
Sorry it should read He/ She should be able to tell you...
This is so disgusting. If it were me, I will be making an appointment to see the local MP asap and discuss with him the residents’ problem.
Bring along photos of the evidence, address of your local housing association, HQ address of the housing association, environmental health department of your Council.
He will be able to tell you what you should do and most likely will write a letter on your behalf to these associations and department.
The housing association will sit up and take notice if they received a letter of complaint from a politician.
Personally IMHO, he should be in a care home. Does he has any relatives you can write to?
It is the cause, but it should be kept confidential.
Obviously the info has come from the carers, since they are the people who would know, and thay is a huge breach.
Kind of like the doctor telling everyone your piles cause poo stains in your knickers! (Not yours, obviously!!
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Its very, very disrespectful and unnecessary.
I agree, but his refusal to wear incontinence pads is the root cause of this problem, plus of course the unacceptable practices of the carers. It sounds as though he should be in a care home where perhaps he would be made to wear incontinence pads. Maybe he has dementia - I can’t imagine anyone wanting to wallow in their own excrement and consequently have their filthy sheets changed every time the carers call.
Nothing about this mans continence issues should be known, so that may be another angle to tackle.
It is known he refuses to wear incontinence pads
Well, he should be wearing them, if this is the result. Sounds like it’s not an occasional ‘accident’, but a very regular occurrence, and something that could be avoided.
Making a huge amount of work and expense for others to sort out.
Your housing association seems pretty useless and from what I have read the CQC is no better. In your position I would speak to the environmental health officer at your local authority straight away. Something has to be done about this.
The carers should be trained in the disposal of clinical waste, as it is one of the mandatory training courses in their role.
This is entirely down to their, frankly dangerous practices (although I don't know if washed poo poses as big a risk!)
It is also in breach of confidentiality, as this man's continence should be managed sensitively and without everyone else knowing.
Its bloody disgusting, and sheer laziness on the carers part.
Social services may be funding this mans care, and they are at liberty to change the care agency to more suitable one, so it may be worth contacting them.
Yuk!! I would put together a letter, get ALL residents to sign it, send it off to the housing association and the care agency. This isn’t right on any level, not for this poor man, the other residents and won’t be doing the washing machines any favours either! I would also be asking the housing association to give all the machine a deep clean and service!! Awful!
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jla.com/blog/laundry/laundry-guidelines-for-care-homes/
Unless where you live is classed as a care home, what is happening is actually illegal.
Your local HSE would be able to give you more details, but your manager needs to take immediate action.
Sorry to sound alarmist, but what is happening is unacceptable and as asking politely to stop hasn't worked i would now be bringing in the big guns.
Good luck x
* sorry, classed as a care environment as has appropriate equipment etc
jla.com/blog/laundry/laundry-guidelines-for-care-homes/
Unless where you live is classed as a care home, what is happening is actually illegal.
Your local HSE would be able to give you more details, but your manager needs to take immediate action.
Sorry to sound alarmist, but what is happening is unacceptable and as asking politely to stop hasn't worked i would now be bringing in the big guns.
Good luck x
The carers who attend to the bed-bound gentleman are failing in their duty of care and ultimately their employers are responsible for these failings.
Would they put their own, heavily soiled bedding in their own washing machines????? probably not. Why do they think that it is ok to use a communal washing machine any differently??? This is complete idleness on the part of these carers and the company should be reported to the CQC.
Social Services should also be made aware of the gentleman's circumstances, his personal needs might need assessing.
There is also a possibility that he is lying in his own excrement waiting for the next team of carers to arrive which is not acceptable.
Reporting to SS and CQC can be done anonymously and my advice to leapyearnan is to start reporting, complaining, do whatever it takes to get yourself heard and get this vile disgusting practice stopped for your sake, that of your neighbours and also for the gentleman concerned.
The resident in question can have 24 hour care in his own home if he wants to but it is the carers that are to blame for not ensuring all excrement is removed from bedding before putting it in the communal washing machines. This is a health and safety issue. Also, if these carers are putting sheets in the washing machine with the excrement still on them why are they not cleaning out the machine after they use it. These carers should be reported.
The poo should go in the bin. Not wanting to be gross but it should be pretty solid if it survives washing. I think I would be tempted to ask for soiled waste bags and put them in the laundry for use of.
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