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OnwardandUpward Tue 06-Aug-24 13:15:52

Before anyone shoots me down, I've been unwell and not really on top of much, including politics but was catching up and curious to know what the conservatives have done to ban dangerous breeds of dog. Then, reading this I thought it doesn't actually do much www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2024/33/pdfs/uksi_20240033_en.pdf
It also has a price right at the bottom, what?

Is it me, or does this sound a load of piffle? It's no good imposing prison sentences for people whose dogs attack because most people get out of prison early anyway- but the person's life who was lost or damaged can never recover!

I wonder if this government will do anything?

MayBee70 Fri 16-Aug-24 21:45:09

When I used to do deliveries I would walk up a driveway if there were eg German Shepherds. But I would never enter one with collies in!

David49 Fri 16-Aug-24 21:41:33

MayBee70

The only time I’ve been bitten is when two Jack Russells ran up behind me when I was delivering to someone’s house and bit me on the back of my leg. Mind you it’s a timely reminder to check that we’re all up to date with our tetanus jabs.

When visiting a farm, terriers often yap a lot, the one to watch out for is the collie sneaking up behind you quietly.

MissInterpreted Fri 16-Aug-24 14:38:50

The most vicious dog I've ever known was a Jack Russell which lived at the stables where my daughter learned to ride. All the children were warned never to go near it, as it would bite as soon as look at you. And the only time I've ever been bitten by a dog, it was a miniature Poodle!

MayBee70 Fri 16-Aug-24 13:57:57

The only time I’ve been bitten is when two Jack Russells ran up behind me when I was delivering to someone’s house and bit me on the back of my leg. Mind you it’s a timely reminder to check that we’re all up to date with our tetanus jabs.

Romola Fri 16-Aug-24 13:44:20

It's not only large dogs that can be dangerous. I had a nasty bite on the leg from a terrier when delivering to a house. The dog ran up out of the basement and leapt at me. I had a tetanus jab and I did report it to the police, who gave the owner of the do g a warning.

MissInterpreted Fri 16-Aug-24 13:31:50

Totally agree with you there, Cossy - especially re 'lockdown pups'. I think many people got dogs during that time on a whim - it meant they had an excuse to get out for a walk, for one thing - but they didn't really think about the fact that a dog is a lifetime commitment, and having a pup is hard work, especially in those early weeks, when you really need to put in the time, effort and patience to train them.
We lost our old Lab in June 2020, and the nine months before we got our new boy were the longest we had ever been without a dog. But our breeder was exceptionally thorough in her vetting - she checked us out fully beforehand and insisted we do the same with her. There was no way she was going to let one of her pups go to just anybody - and that's exactly as it should be. As you say though, far too many backyard breeders saw it as an opportunity to cash in - and we're now seeing the consequences of that.

MayBee70 Fri 16-Aug-24 13:19:28

Our dog is fine after being attacked whilst walking in the village;she’s always been very confident and the attack hasn’t made her reactive. But my partner, who was walking her at the time, still hasn’t got over it. We were at the vets recently and someone came in with a very sweet Staffie but he was completely shook up being so close to her.

Cossy Fri 16-Aug-24 13:15:27

MayBee70

I’m just ashamed of the behaviour of fellow dog owners.

I think we have to remember, it’s the minority, and as always, they seem to make the biggest noise and cause the most issues!

The majority of dog owners are responsible.

I think the problems were exacerbated by greedy greedy breeders selling far too many puppies to (idiot) people during lockdown, some of whom hadn’t the slightest clue how to look after and train a puppy!

Many of these poor pups are now in rescues!

Cossy Fri 16-Aug-24 13:07:38

Iam64

Agree MissInterpreted.
One of my dogs is reactive on lead when badly behaved off lead dogs run into his face. He’s over 5 stone of pure muscle so needs some holding if he gets upset. He’s a peach of a dog with children and people, plays well with dogs he knows, walks past other dogs nicely on his lead but gets bothered by rude, ill mannered off lead dogs running at him.
If every body had to take Kennel Club type obedience classes, all dog owners would know it’s simple good manners to out your dog on lead, or get it walking at your side when ever you see an on lead dog approaching. Dogs are on lead for a reason. My boy is on lead because he’s big and could knock a child over accidentally, also because after three assaults by other dogs, I can’t guarantee he won’t react if he feels threatened
I fear some dog owners have no idea

I completely agree!

MayBee70 Fri 16-Aug-24 13:02:42

Years ago I apologised on behalf of other dog owners to some people on a beach whose son had been terrified by a dog that ran up to him barking with it’s owners totally ignoring what was happening.

Iam64 Fri 16-Aug-24 08:35:52

Agree MissInterpreted.
One of my dogs is reactive on lead when badly behaved off lead dogs run into his face. He’s over 5 stone of pure muscle so needs some holding if he gets upset. He’s a peach of a dog with children and people, plays well with dogs he knows, walks past other dogs nicely on his lead but gets bothered by rude, ill mannered off lead dogs running at him.
If every body had to take Kennel Club type obedience classes, all dog owners would know it’s simple good manners to out your dog on lead, or get it walking at your side when ever you see an on lead dog approaching. Dogs are on lead for a reason. My boy is on lead because he’s big and could knock a child over accidentally, also because after three assaults by other dogs, I can’t guarantee he won’t react if he feels threatened
I fear some dog owners have no idea

MissInterpreted Fri 16-Aug-24 08:23:59

MayBee70

I’m just ashamed of the behaviour of fellow dog owners.

It's frustrating when many of us are responsible dog owners whose dogs are well trained and well behaved and who wouldn't dream of letting behave in the manner of some described on here. Unfortunately, some just don't care - and I'm not sure that any amount of rules, laws or licensing is going to cure that. Responsible owners will always comply with those - the irresponsible ones won't.

M0nica Fri 16-Aug-24 08:15:23

Even a muzzled dog can injure you. I got a badly bruised arm when a muzzled dog, one of two, jumped at me and hit my arm. The two dogs were nominally in the charge of quite a lightly built woman, who was struggling to control them.

I was merely walking quietly alone along a country footpath in the opposite direction to the dogs and their handler.

MayBee70 Thu 15-Aug-24 19:35:52

I’m just ashamed of the behaviour of fellow dog owners.

stayanotherday Thu 15-Aug-24 16:04:17

I love animals and am vegetarian for that reason but have no pets as I've neither the time or the inclination. Each to their own but I've stopped going for walks as there's dogs everywhere. It's the ones off lead or on extendable leads running or jumping around barking at and bothering people.

I met a group I did a college course with for coffee Sunday and there was a dog running around. He wasn't harming anybody but barked at me. I was just sitting there.

It's all well and good people saying the dog won't hurt you it's friendly, but others don't know that. They don't know your dog. Then when a dog runs up and I say no loudly the owner takes offence and looks at me like I'm the problem when I'm just walking bothering nobody!

Twice in supermarkets somebody had a dog on a lead.

They should be taken for walks and if you want to let them loose take them to a field where they don't bother others.

The UK prioritises dogs over people. It's madness. Dogs rule and then people wonder why they get out of control.

Allsorts Thu 15-Aug-24 15:17:44

I’ve just come very close-to petting a huge dog, very beautiful who was muzzled. When i asked if he was violent she said no he’s a big softy but he’s an XL Bully. My face changed. She said don't you thing he's gorgeous and I said yes, but what was she thinking of as she weighed no more than 8 stone. Answer, I can handle him he’s daft. If he turned she couldn't handle him, I thought they were banned. She said its a shame people think like that.

OnwardandUpward Thu 15-Aug-24 15:05:45

MissAdventure

Dogs who bound up and greet you almost always have owners who say "It OK. He's alright!" as you try to fend off their dog.

Actually, it's not alright, because I'm afraid.

I agree, it's not alright. I dont want to be licked by someone else's dog. Who knows what they have been eating. If raw food then I think it's salmonella central in their saliva. Even the most clean dog has probably got plenty of bacteria. I'll have my own dogs, but no one elses, thanks.

I don't like big/unknown dogs running up to me because I don't know what they're capable of. My dog has been attacked. I have been painfully mounted by a large and heavy dog!

Cossy Thu 15-Aug-24 14:46:00

MissAdventure

Dogs who bound up and greet you almost always have owners who say "It OK. He's alright!" as you try to fend off their dog.

Actually, it's not alright, because I'm afraid.

It’s actually not alright because our dogs, on leads, are reactive!

Kate1949 Thu 15-Aug-24 14:39:18

Me too MissA. Another woman killed today.

MissAdventure Thu 15-Aug-24 14:29:04

Dogs who bound up and greet you almost always have owners who say "It OK. He's alright!" as you try to fend off their dog.

Actually, it's not alright, because I'm afraid.

OnwardandUpward Thu 15-Aug-24 12:43:29

I dislike any dog running up to me or my dog who dislikes it as well.

There are some nuts people!

MayBee70 Sun 11-Aug-24 13:10:17

I actually noticed on a local Facebook page someone with an XL Bully asking if other Bully owners would like to meet up in an area where children play to exercise and socialise their misunderstood sweet dogs. Ok it was from last year and never took off but it beggars belief that anyone would have such a stupid idea.

Iam64 Sun 11-Aug-24 13:02:32

bobbydog24, I m with you and so are my experienced dog trainer friends. Even they use safe enclosed fields to exercise their dogs. The walks I’ve loved since I moved here on 1970 are no longer enjoyable. I’m tired of people with no idea about how to care for their dogs treating the, calling them fur babies. Dogs need routines, exercise, stimulation and clear boundaries that are calmly and consistently enforced. They don’t need to run about rushing up to other dogs, children and people who don’t like any dog
Humph

bobbydog24 Sun 11-Aug-24 12:00:25

I personally think every dog, in a public area, be it a park or woods, should be on a lead unless the owner has 100% recall. My dog was taken to puppy class, is obedient and has good recall but due to a few idiots with off lead dogs allowing them to bound up to her, I know she would bolt to get away from them. The times I have had her lead wrapped round my legs with her trying to get away from these disobedient dogs are becoming a regular occurrence. Also most of the owners are nowhere near their dogs so they often don’t see them having a poo so it’s left for some unfortunate person to step in.
There is no pleasure in walking your dog anymore because of selfish morons who walk round on their phones with their dogs racing round all over the place.

M0nica Fri 09-Aug-24 08:56:57

This document you have found OnwardsandUpwards has nothing to do with the application of the main dangerous dogs legislation.

However at the beginning of this year ownership of an XL bully dog in the UK was made illegal unless the owner had obtained a certificate of exemption, and no breeding of the dogs was allowed.

This meant that quite a number of dogs, who had never attacked anyone, were handed over to Dog Care organisations, as the owners either could not, or did not want to get a certificate of exemption

The government was clearly concerned to make sure where this happened the organisation taking the dog in should be clearly defined and that those running it were fully competent.

This amendment actually tightens the legislation governing the re homing of dogs, of a now illegal breed. This applies to XL bully dogs owned on 31 Deceber 2023. None of these dogs will have any known history of attacking other dogs or people.

The reason there is a price on the bottom is because this is a pdf , but can it also be bought in printed form, and that is the price you may if you order a paper copy through an approved supplier.

I am sorry you are so unwell and I do hope you feel better soon. Meanwhile do not worry about this amendment to the dangerous dog legislation. It just tightens the definition of a rehoming organisation that can take in XL bully dogs that have no history of attacks, but whose owners do not want the bother of adhering to the new restrictive legislation attached to owning one born before the end of last year.