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Franbern Wed 07-Oct-26 15:53:38

I live by myself. Look after myself totally, do my own shopping, cooking, housework, etc.etc.
Yes, I do have various medical conditions, Some quite serous. can manage around my flat just using a trolley to get food, etc from kitchen to living room. Outside I use either a mobility scooter for local things, or my electric wheelchair for anything involving public transport.
I order my own repeat prescriptions and sort out the taking of my different tablets.

Just noticed on my GP's Patient Access records that I have been given a Fraility Score of 0.417, which puts me into the Serious Fraility range.

Had no idea how and when this was tested and what difference it makes to me.
Anyone else noticed such a score in their records?

Charleygirl5 Thu 08-Oct-26 01:38:04

No, thankfully. I was in hospital for 3 days in March. When I returned home, my GP was sending somebody to check my condition. It was a nurse checking my frailty. I live in a 3 bedroom house but have a cleaner and a fellow to cut the large expanse of grass I have. I have never cut it, too much and lawn mower wouldn't e=reach. Like Franbern I am self-sufficient and I keep Amazon out of administration.

The nurse stayed about 10 minutes and left when I said on sunny day, I would probably paint my fencing and shed. I must look for a frailty score!

Truffle43 Thu 08-Oct-26 01:58:30

That is the very first time I have heard of this. I had to look it up.

BlueBelle Thu 08-Oct-26 02:44:43

Where do you find out if you have been given one I have the NHS app on my phone but not seen anything ?

Margs Thu 08-Oct-26 04:26:39

So you were being tested covertly without your knowledge and permission?

BlueBelle Thu 08-Oct-26 06:03:54

Well I can’t find anything on my NHS app
I'm curious now

Usedtobeblonde Thu 08-Oct-26 06:05:51

I have heard about this but don’t know what mine is, I must find out.
I have also read that most people are very surprised by their score, feeling it doesn’t portray how they cope and feel.

Franbern Thu 08-Oct-26 09:34:25

I found this on Patient Access. I normally only use that to order repeat prescriptions, but as I have not been too well recently, I had spare time and looked to see what else was held on that. I had no idea who or when and how this was taken. I always make it very obvious that I live happily by myself and have no assistance whatsoever.

Jaxjacky Thu 08-Oct-26 09:47:42

I tackled my surgery about this last year, my GP had no knowledge of it and couldn’t get it removed as I’d requested. It seems to be an automatic figure, not based on an actual physical assessment.

shysal Thu 08-Oct-26 09:52:48

I discovered my score in the same way, on Patient Access. It was dated the day I had a flu jab, several years ago. I was not asked any questions at that time so the nurse had no information on which to base the score. I forget the number now, but Google told me that I was almost ready for residential care. I have RA but am in remission and can manage every activity that I need for everyday life, as well as walking up to 10,000 steps a day. I asked for the score to be removed from my record but was told that it is not possible, and that nobody looks at it anyway. On a previous similar thread it was mentioned that the score might be beneficial in the future if care was needed, so I let it drop.
Here are the results of a search for previous threads on the subject.
www.gransnet.com/info/search?q=frailty+score

Cabbie21 Thu 08-Oct-26 16:24:05

notts.icb.nhs.uk/your-health/stay-well/frailty-and-falls-in-nottingham-and-nottinghamshire/clinical-frailty-scale/

I think most health authorities have adopted this model. It is designed as an aid to decision making and care planning.
I don’t know who decides which level we are on or when. Like many things, it seems generally sensible but I can guess there are some wrong judgements made at times.

TillyTrotter Thu 08-Oct-26 16:39:08

It could well be an assessment ‘algorithm’ worked out on known data. Just a guess.

Charleygirl5 Thu 08-Oct-26 22:54:02

I am mobile, independent, live on my own. District Nurses visited x2 a week for 6 months. One female was in my house for two minutes, knew I was partially visually impaired and told me I shouldn't be cooking! She was horrified to discover I use an air fryer. If I didn't v=cook There is nobody else. 99& when I go to a hospital, I am asked how many carers I have. The next time I may say one every two hours. I can't walk far but I can walk smartly from a waiting room to a consulting room.

I must check my frailty score as I will be on the doorstep for a care home.I can manage a 3 bedroom house but I doubt a residential home.

AlpineGranny Sat 10-Oct-26 13:41:59

I was told I was frail and vulnerable at 76: I play walking netball, doubles tennis, swim 20 lengths and walk. When I queried it with my GP (I rarely go) she said we've since changed it to needing pro-active care. I have fully recovered from cancer but admit I am left with a few issues none of which are life threatening. So I agreed with this, was given an excellent half hour appt within two weeks to discuss and told she is my named GP now. Excellent, I fell very well looked after!

EmilyHarburn Sat 10-Oct-26 14:22:23

Identifying frailty
The NHS in England is the first health system in the world to systematically identify people, aged 65 and over, who are living with moderate and severe frailty using a population-based stratification approach. This can be done using the electronic Frailty Index (eFI) or any other appropriate assessment tool. The eFI uses routine health record data to automatically calculate a score which can identify whether a person in likely to be fit or living with mild, moderate or severe frailty.

Changes to the GP contract in 2017/18 introduced routine frailty identification for patients who are 65 and over. It targets a small number of key interventions (falls assessment, medicines review and promotion of the additional information in the summary care record) at those most at risk of adverse events including hospitalisation, nursing home admission and death. Early identification coupled with targeted support can help older people living with frailty to stay well and live independently for as long as possible.

The eFI is a risk stratification tool and not intended to be used as a diagnostic tool.

Confirmation of frailty in an individual should be undertaken using a validated tool such as:

Gait Speed Test
PRISMA-7
Timed Up and Go test
To support routine frailty identification in primary care there are a number of resources:

NHS Digital publish relevant local, regional and national data on frailty
NHS England guidance for general practices on Supporting routine frailty identification and frailty through the GP Contract 2017/2018
NHS England Toolkit for general practice on supporting older people living with frailty
Yorkshire and Humber Academic Health and Science Network on Recognising and managing frailty

EmilyHarburn Sat 10-Oct-26 14:24:09

My frailty score went up when I was discharged from hospital with pain killers haveing had a second knee replacement. If you are o 5 medications or more it goes up. I advised the GP that at all times he would ned to keepmy precribed medication down.

knspol Sat 10-Oct-26 14:24:50

I discovered my frailty number a few years ago when searching on line. It was posted by the surgery at the same time as a Covid jab so the doc or nurse who spoke maybe a dozen words to me decided how frail I was. At the time I hadn't heard of this and when checking on line it's supposed to be decided after a detailed discussion with a GP!

EmilyHarburn Sat 10-Oct-26 14:51:57

The Electronic Frailty Index (eFI) is a powerful population-screening tool integrated into UK GP computer systems. It is designed to automatically scan existing Electronic Health Records (EHR) to calculate a frailty score based on a "cumulative deficit" model.
Rather than requiring a face-to-face assessment, the eFI analyzes the accumulation of 36 distinct deficits, which are mapped across roughly 2,000 routine clinical codes.

1. The 36 Deficits Map

The 36 clinical indicators span diseases, physiological signs, symptoms, functional disabilities, and social factors:

CategoryExamples of Specific Deficits Covered
Long-Term ConditionsDiabetes, Hypertension, Heart Failure, Chronic Kidney Disease, Arthritis, Atrial Fibrillation, Stroke/Cerebrovascular Disease, Respiratory Disease.
Physical & Sensory ImpairmentsVisual Impairment, Hearing Impairment, Mobility & Transfer Problems, Foot Problems.
Symptoms & Lab ResultsAnaemia/Haematinic Deficiency, Dizziness, Hypotension/Syncope, Sleep Disturbance, Weight Loss/Anorexia, Urinary Incontinence.
Neurological & Mental HealthMemory/Cognitive Problems, Parkinsonism & Tremor.
Frailty Events & VulnerabilitiesHistory of Falls, Fragility Fractures, Osteoporosis, Skin Ulcers, Polypharmacy (taking multiple medications), Requirement for Care, Housebound status, Social Vulnerability.

2. How the Score is Calculated

The original eFI score represents a simple mathematical proportion:
\(\text{eFI\ Score}=\frac{\text{Number\ of\ Deficits\ Present}}{\text{Total\ Possible\ Deficits\ (36)}}\)
• If a patient has 9 deficits recorded, their score is \(9/36 = \mathbf{0.25}\).
• The original thresholds mapped onto four risk bands:
• Fit: < 0.12
• Mild Frailty: 0.13 - 0.24
• Moderate Frailty: 0.25 - 0.36
• Severe Frailty: > 0.36
💡 The New eFI2 Standard: Primary care software across the UK is transitioning to the eFI2. Unlike the original version where all 36 deficits were weighted equally, the eFI2 applies weighted scores based on how heavily a factor contributes to adverse risks (e.g., nursing home admission or mortality). It also introduces time limits so that historical, fully resolved events (like a past episode of depression) stop artificially inflating a patient's frailty score.

3. How GPs Use the eFI in Practice

• Proactive Screening (Not a Diagnosis): The eFI is a stratification tool, not a formal clinical diagnosis. It flags individuals at high risk so that clinicians can focus resources where they are needed most.
• Triggers Targeted Reviews: Under the NHS General Medical Services (GMS) contract, when the index automatically flags a patient as "severely frail," it prompts the GP practice to deliver a formal clinical review. This usually includes a structured medication review, a falls assessment, and a discussion about advanced care planning.
• Follow-up Verification: Patients flagged by the eFI are often targeted for a secondary, clinical assessment—such as the Clinical Frailty Scale (CFS)—to confirm their status in real life.

icanhandthemback Sat 10-Oct-26 16:28:08

I have a frailty score looked at every year during my diabetic check up. The index is quite meaningless because in some ways I come up as severely frail which means that is my overall label. It just means I sometimes I need help with things or have difficulty walking although not all the time. I take no notice of it as I know that all the time I have mental capacity, I cannot be forced into accepting anything I don't want.

Dreadwitch Sat 10-Oct-26 18:24:10

No, it's not a test and it's not covert.

PamelaJ1 Sat 10-Oct-26 18:31:04

One of my clients was asked if she cut her own toenails, she replied no.
It was only later that it occurred to her that the Dr. Was actually asking if she COULD cut them? She had been having regular pedicures since her much younger days!

petra Sat 10-Oct-26 18:52:21

Are most of you aware of the company that is collecting this DATA. It’s Palentier. Not very nice people. How could you be when your best buddies with Donald Trump.
They have a £330 million contract with the NHS.
They have defence contracts with the MOD.
They supply tech co-ordinates to ICE to enable ICE to find people.
But for me their worst crime was giving the wrong ( outdated) co-ordinates to the personnel who fired on the school in Iran killing children.

www.theguardian.com/society/2026/may/11/palantir-access-nhs-england-patient-data.
www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/palantir-deportation-roundup

KayM Sat 10-Oct-26 20:30:44

Just doing their job, surely?

Deedaa Sat 10-Oct-26 20:46:18

I don't know if I have a frailty score, but last week I had a text from the surgery saying they needed a urine sample as part of my annual health check. They are welcome to have one but "annual health check"? it must be years since I've had anything like that.

Allsorts Sat 10-Oct-26 20:58:51

I have never had a health check.