Do you have a cleaner?

sodapop

I don't see why people are classed as entitled because of how they choose to spend their money. I had a cleaner when I was working and it was lovely to come home to a clean house. As others have said there are things I would rather be doing than cleaning and gardening.

Indeed.

We love a clean house, paying for what we want is normal.

" so I'd rather do without other things in order to keep these going."

yes, definitely. an orderly and clean house is a great comfort. I dont do holidays rather have nice house all year round.

And looking out on a tidy garden, its well planted now (just far far too big, but therefore also not overlooked).

I am amazed that anybody actually dares to admit to having a cleaner, given the attitudes towards them and words and phrases such as
Show some humility and discretion, entitled , and smug being bandied about.
Blimey! If cleanliness is next to godliness, does that only count if you are the one on your hands and knees sweeping and polishing? Hoovers and domestic appliances presumably being only one step away from “staff”.
Sanctimonious twaddle!

Did you read the first reply to OP? This is the post the humility and discretion' was directed at.

Nothing wrong at all with having a cleaner. Like so many things, there are 'ways and ways'.

Sanctimonious twaddle, not. Gnetters come in all guises, and many are truly struggling now. Some may well be cleaners- some respected, and some not. Consideration of others is never twaddle.

Gnetters come in all guises, and many are truly struggling now. Some may well be cleaners- some respected, and some not. Consideration of others is never twaddle
If many are truly struggling now, maybe we should not have threads about holidays in Europe…….. Those who are struggling may well be going down to their caravan on the coast, or staying in a holiday camp - not touring Europe…..

Did you read the first reply to OP? This is the post the humility and discretion' was directed at

That was not clear Fleurpepper, I felt very hurt and i was the only person you mentioned by name.

Fleurpepper

Did you read the first reply to OP? This is the post the humility and discretion' was directed at.

Nothing wrong at all with having a cleaner. Like so many things, there are 'ways and ways'.

Sanctimonious twaddle, not. Gnetters come in all guises, and many are truly struggling now. Some may well be cleaners- some respected, and some not. Consideration of others is never twaddle.

That doesn’t make sense. The first reply simply says the the person has a large house and values having a cleaner.

We have a big detached property 4 double beds study two bathrooms I don’t have a cleaner as I love housework and can do it myself, but we do have a gardener. If I wasn’t in a position to be able to cope with cleaning then yes we would have a cleaner also.

kittylester

^Did you read the first reply to OP? This is the post the humility and discretion' was directed at^

That was not clear Fleurpepper, I felt very hurt and i was the only person you mentioned by name.

That reply was to your comment at the time.

About you being 'baffled'. There was nothing hurtful in that post at all. Why?

I am surprised you are 'baffled' Kitty- we know there are many GN members who are having a very tough time at the moment, and their families too- so I think it depends how it is said, but perhaps a bit of discretion and humility would help

That seems quite rude to me?

So, it was me you were suggesting should have discretion and humility, fp?

Fleurpepper

About you being 'baffled'. There was nothing hurtful in that post at all. Why?

You are joking?
Opinions may differ.

kittylester

So, it was me you were suggesting should have discretion and humility, fp?

Kittylester please do not worry about your posts on this thread.

You haven’t posted anything which is disrespectful or lacking in humility, unfortunately it appears that it’s your turn to be picked on

sending you a (((hug)))

I mostly don’t mind housework but am definitely considering employing DD (currently unemployed) to help with the post-Christmas clean, including all paintwork and tiles. If you can afford to employ people to do the jobs you hate why on earth not?!

Especially in the light of your serious illness and continued convalescence with a long way to go, accusations of a lack of humility or discretion were distinctly below the belt

kittylester

So, it was me you were suggesting should have discretion and humility, fp?

The first reply to the OP. Which also resulted in my being surprised you were 'baffled'. I thought it would be clear- sorry if it was not. Your name was mentionned about the 'baffled' mention. Perhaps re-read the thread from the beginning to understand the context of that post.

I think most of us have, and it’s still pretty pointed.
When in a hole….etc

I hate cleaning, and work, and so I'm happy to pay for the help. My current cleaner has worked for me for over 15 years and I count her as a friend now. I tidy before she comes, and then she gets on with the cleaning (3 hours a week, 4 bedrooms) work. She came today and the house is lovely and clean!

As long as you pay a fair hourly rate and treat the person with respect, it's all good.

kittylester

Baffled by why there is anything wrong with employing someone to help out with tasks one is unable to do, or dislikes doing, is wrong.

We have always had a cleaner and a gardener. We can afford it, it provides employment and gives us more time to volunteer, help with grandchildren etc.

Not entitled at all.

It's keeping people in employment too.

I thought housework was good exercise too and could manage until a year or so ago, except when I had a shoulder injury when DH managed to push the vacuum cleaner and steam cleaner round! I managed the rest

However, I'm waiting for new knees which means I can't do it to my satisfaction now so we'll be looking for a cleaner in the NY.
Either that or have one of those firms in to do a deep clean every three months and we can keep on top of it in between.
Has anyone used a firm like that?

Thank you for your support everyone. I'm ignoring this thread now - as I said, I was very hurt.

Fleurpepper

I am surprised you are 'baffled' Kitty- we know there are many GN members who are having a very tough time at the moment, and their families too- so I think it depends how it is said, but perhaps a bit of discretion and humility would help.

Perhaps you may have misunderstood Fleurpepper?

I took it that kittylester was baffled by the remarks about a poster saying people who employ a cleaner are smug and entitled.

If they are able to do that then they are providing employment for others.
If they didn't, then some people would be struggling even more.

I've never employed a cleaner and the thought is making me rather uncomfortable but needs must.

kittylester

Thank you for your support everyone. I'm ignoring this thread now - as I said, I was very hurt.

I think perhaps Fleurpepper read your post wrong, kittylester.
I'm sure she didn't mean it unkindly and discretion and humility was perhaps the wrong choice of words on a thread where the OP Antonia was asking for advice about employing a cleaner.

After all, it's difficult to give advice by avoiding the subject or saying that you're still fit enough to do your own cleaning when Antonia says they're not as fit as they were.

Antonia the firms that come in and do a deep clean might be worth investigating if you want high cleaning done periodically.

No. Did when children were small and I worked full time. Don’t want the intrusion now & do it all myself Don’t mind some housework - good exercise and quite satisfying, particularly motivated when visitors are due! Never takes priority over going out or socialising! Just do it when I’m at home and spot something that needs doing !

Callistemon21

Fleurpepper

I am surprised you are 'baffled' Kitty- we know there are many GN members who are having a very tough time at the moment, and their families too- so I think it depends how it is said, but perhaps a bit of discretion and humility would help.

Perhaps you may have misunderstood Fleurpepper?

I took it that kittylester was baffled by the remarks about a poster saying people who employ a cleaner are smug and entitled.

If they are able to do that then they are providing employment for others.
If they didn't, then some people would be struggling even more.

I've never employed a cleaner and the thought is making me rather uncomfortable but needs must.

Yes, my post to Kitty about being baffled by a strong reaction- and that a bit of discretion and humility should be used by all, out of consideration for some posters- who, for whatever reasons, are truly struggling currently.

So, it was not at all 'aimed' at Kitty- but a general comment- trying to understand how some comments could be hurtful to those struggling. I re-read the first reply to OP, and it made me realise how it could be perceived by a gran who is going through the above currently.

I have absolutely no problem with saying I have had a cleaning help all the years I was working. And also when I had two major operations in recent years.

I am very prepared to apologise if my comment was mis-understood as personal. It was not.