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Loosing winter fuel allowance

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rosesarered Fri 19-May-17 20:50:04

Corbyn has promised the moon on a stick to everyone.....you mention it and you got it! All will magically be paid for.Well, if Labour don't get into power with a manifesto that splashes the cash on all and sundry, when the Conservative manifesto clearly doesn't do that, then you will have the measure of how truly unpopular he is.

MamaCaz Fri 19-May-17 20:49:56

Means testing could mean that the large number of pensioners who currently would be entitled to Pension Credit but don't claim it might start claiming it. I bet that would cancel out the saving from withdrawing the WAP, many times over!

Norah Fri 19-May-17 20:41:26

Means testing is difficult and a waste of resources to me.

Anniebach Fri 19-May-17 20:14:11

This has bugged me, Corbyn has attacked the Tories for cutting winter fuel allowance, he wants it to remain as it is. So those he condemns for their wealth he supports them having the allowance

Ana Fri 19-May-17 20:09:37

How awful...hmm

whitewave Fri 19-May-17 19:53:24

It has split the Tory party

Atqui Fri 19-May-17 18:57:20

I agree we don't all need it, but I know several people who give theirs to charities, so they will be losing out.

MamaCaz Fri 19-May-17 16:05:17

I agree with Margrete too - most likely to be tied in with pension credit. I certainly don't imagine for one moment that one of a couple will receive it while their partner, with a higher income, doesn't. Benefits just don't work like it, though you could be forgiven for thinking otherwise given how the media love to misleadingly compare benefits received by an entire household with the average earnings of one individual.

That said, this is not necessarily seen as a cost-cutting exercise. (The bedroom tax never saved any money ((housing benefit has risen, despite there being fewer people claiming it)), but was a hugely popular policy with a large section of the electorate, so a great success as far as the Government is concerned). Perhaps it is more of a bid to appease / appeal to younger voters who are increasingly being led to believe that the retired are all living the life of Riley. The fact that the better-off retirees are still contributing as tax-payers is rarely mentioned, and probably something that many of those younger voters are unaware of.

Admittedly, it does seem unlikely that the Government would risk alienating the 'grey' vote in this way, but not impossible.

NfkDumpling Fri 19-May-17 10:44:02

I agree it will probably be linked to pensions credit or maybe given to non tax payers? (Last year mine went to the East Anglian Air Ambulance and some to World Horse Welfare and the Cinnamon Trust!)

ninny Fri 19-May-17 10:28:07

Child benefit is means tested you don't get it if one partner earns more than £50,000.

margrete Fri 19-May-17 10:27:43

My feeling is that it will be available to households on pension credit, and not to others. Don't quote me, though.

Luckygirl Fri 19-May-17 10:24:08

This has always been the reason that child benefit has been universal - the means testing costs more than the benefit.

rosesarered Fri 19-May-17 10:19:37

I doubt it Luckygirl otherwise they wouldn't bother doing it.

Luckygirl Fri 19-May-17 10:17:21

Means testing is an expensive process. Let us hope it does not cost more than the allowance.

Floradora9 Fri 19-May-17 10:13:58

Well a twist in the tale the Scottish Goverment are to keep the winter fuel payments as they are . They are not stopping anyone from getting it . I would bar anyone not living in the UK and would not have grudged giving ours up if they gave more to the most in need.

phoenix Thu 18-May-17 21:57:18

My mother used to give hers to Dogs Trust, a friend of ours puts his towards their annual trip to Australia.......hmm

Charleygirl Thu 18-May-17 21:52:02

I also agree with roses it seems fairer, but how many pensioners are getting a pension of £43,000- I did not earn that when I was working, admittedly I retired from full time work in 2002 and times have changed.

MamaCaz Thu 18-May-17 21:48:21

Surely it will become like most other benefits, and based on 'household'income, won't it?

NfkDumpling Thu 18-May-17 20:59:28

I'm confused too about the care costs £20,000 plus (can't remember exactly how much) savings allowance being raised to £100,000 - but including the value of the house? That would mean no cash savings allowance wouldn't it?

Christinefrance Thu 18-May-17 20:56:07

I agree roses, just for people on benefits. We have to do our bit too.

kittylester Thu 18-May-17 20:54:45

The same for us too but I think it's a really good idea.

rosesarered Thu 18-May-17 20:53:08

It may just be for anyone who is living on benefits only ( fair enough.)

rosesarered Thu 18-May-17 20:51:21

Same here, I think they do have to go on what each person in the household has,
But I guess we will find out soon.

NfkDumpling Thu 18-May-17 19:07:11

We're the same Flora. Since we're taxed separately I think he'll lose his and I'll still get mine. Fair Do's. I think I could probably get by without mine since I'm a kept woman.

Floradora9 Thu 18-May-17 18:53:38

Now that the Tories have decided to end the winter fuel allowance for "better off pensioners " I wonder how it will work. At the moment both my DH and I get £100 each. Are they going to add our income/savings together to decide if we are " better off pensioners" ?At the moment if it went on income alone and individually I would not fit this category. If savings come into it I might . DH has the good work pension and savings so one of us might miss out and the other not.