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Deferring State Pension

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Oriel Thu 20-Jul-17 16:31:48

Ana. Yes, I realise that the children wouldn't inherit my pension as such if I didn't defer it. The part I think is unfair though concerns the funds that would have been paid to me monthly if the choice to defer wasn't taken up. Obviously when I die my pension ceases. By deferring it appears that the monies I would have been paid monthly are put aside - why should the state get it if I die?

Perhaps I just don't understand the way the state pensions work. confused

devongirl Thu 20-Jul-17 16:23:45

I agree, nanna. I'm deferring my pension as still working, but the increase is 10% p.a. (it's now 5% for more recent people reaching state retirment age, I believe). Essentially after deferring I could either claim an enhanced pension, or the state pension I would have been entitled to originally + a lump sum equivalent; if I chose the lump sum, the amount would be equivalent to 10 years increase to the orgiginal pension. So if you expect to live for more that the next 10 years you're better off taking the enhanced pension, otherwise if e.g. you have an illness you can take the lump sum and the lower pension.

Clear as mud?!

Nannarose Thu 20-Jul-17 16:11:25

PS: I do, of course realise, that many on here will not be taking their pension until 68 anyway, but in our cases, DH was eligible at 65, and me at 61.

Nannarose Thu 20-Jul-17 16:09:10

The point of deferring is that you take a higher pension. The calculations have changed recently, but when we did it, you gained 2% for every 5 weeks you deferred (say 10% a year for back-of-fag-packet calculations). You can lso choose to tke it as a lump sum.

This is all on gov.uk, which of course, will be up-to-date.

I found the 'inheritance' rules confusing, but it looked to me as if a spouse would get 3 months' worth (had the pension not, at that point, been taken)
So, you take a gamble! If in good health, with no need to take the income, it is generally agreed that deferring is a good plan, but working out at what point to take it is a bit of a leap!
My fag packet thought that about 68 was a good time to take it for both me & DH, so we did.

annsixty Thu 20-Jul-17 15:56:30

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annsixty Thu 20-Jul-17 15:56:06

Am I mistaken then that a widow , when both were over state pension age , will get an enhanced pension when she doesn't qualify in her own right?

Riverwalk Thu 20-Jul-17 15:52:57

Iam64 spouses can inherit part of the deceased's State Pension.

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devongirl Thu 20-Jul-17 15:42:52

But surely the whole point is that it ISN'T in your bank - because the choice has been made to continue to defer thereby earning an increased pension.

The same applies surely to your comment Greenfinch - the reason for the higher tax is that by deferring she had a higher pension.

gillybob Thu 20-Jul-17 15:37:48

It technically isn't inheriting a state pension though Iam64 it is inheriting a deferred amount that you would have had in YOUR bank.

Iam64 Thu 20-Jul-17 15:34:07

No one inherits a state pension. Private pensions can be in part left to spouses and b recent law, to civil pArtners.
I'm satisfied with neither children or partners inheriting state pensions.

Greenfinch Thu 20-Jul-17 15:32:53

I absolutely agree with tanith.Also a friend discovered that when she eventually received her pension she was paying more in tax than if she had not deferred.

devongirl Thu 20-Jul-17 15:13:16

I'm in the same situation Oriel except there is only one of me. I'm pretty sure it's true, none of your pension passes to your children whether you defer or not. I'm not even sure that your OH would get anything. Surely as tanith says it's a gamble whether to defer, just like taking out insurance; you reap benefits by deferring but only if you win the bet!

tanith Thu 20-Jul-17 15:04:26

I saw no point in deferring when who knows what is round the corner. The money is lost when you die and as we have no idea if that is tomorrow or years away I preferred to have the money in my bank.

gillybob Thu 20-Jul-17 14:59:23

I think the other partner does get some of it (if its a deferred amount) Ana (effectively money you would have had). But I agree I don't think children get anything.

I think this is wrong as it was money you would have had.

Ana Thu 20-Jul-17 14:50:30

I didn't think children inherited any of a parent's state pension - in fact I'm sure they don't!

Oriel Thu 20-Jul-17 14:45:43

We're looking into deferring our State Pensions and one of the things we didn't realise is that if we both die our children won't inherit the deferred money.

Also, if either of us die the other would only inherit 50% of the deferred money of the person who died.

Is it just me or do others think this is unfair?