Trans Nurses

Thanks Doodledog
Any discussion that includes the words 'women, regardless of their genitalia' has entered the realm of the surreal.
Unbelievable!.
Also, calling assault by women 'rape' would be yet another way to manipulate statistics to mask ways in which women's lives are made worse by a patriarchal society.

As has been made quite obvious on some threads, This would clearly suit the agenda of some, but anyone who has women's (AHF for those who don’t understand) interests at heart would countenance such a travesty.

Unfortunately, some people are so keen to be seen as ‘woke’ or ‘inclusive’ they don’t think beyond the impact their words will have.
GJ says
But society can't force every trans person to bear the brunt of one person who used the cover of women's clothes, in order to commit a rape, to label all trans people or prevent their integration into a civilized society.
GJ, you talk as if no one has ever said it’s only the ill-intentioned transpeople who are responsible or perhaps you choose not to hear that.
This would clearly suit the agenda of some who still believe in and support the omnipotence of the patriarchy.
The lack of support for females by some women is unbelievable. The number of makes who are as horrified by (in particular) the cheating by males competing in female races because it affects their daughters, their friends and their colleagues and they feel it reflects on them. Likewise their horror about males accessing women’s (AHF) spaces to cause them harm, is probably increasing at the same rate as the women who are saying there’s nothing wrong with males cheating in competition or accessing women’s spaces though I’d find it hard to believe that even those women would condone the harm done by ill-intentioned males, whether trans or not.

Hence it was rape. Not sexual assault. By a person with a penis.

MawtheMerrier

AmberSpyglass

Why is this thread called “trans nurses” when the issue is about sexual assault?

I’ve be wondering why too

I think the OP thought the rape was performed by a transgender nurse, but it's not clear and I understand it was a patient who self ID'd as a woman and was on the female ward. Everyone lied after the rape allegation by saying there was no male on the ward. Rape can only be performed by a male using a penis. The victim suffered being disbelieved and called a liar for a year until CTV and nurses confirmed there was a trans identified intact male on the ward.

May I just say I was quoting another poster who said it was a unique situation as a women may become pregnant. I was saying rape is rape regardless if it is with a penis or not.

Of course that poor woman was raped and to deny it was anything is plain wrong.

AmberSpyglass

Why is this thread called “trans nurses” when the issue is about sexual assault?

I’ve be wondering why too

Why is this thread called “trans nurses” when the issue is about sexual assault?

Galaxy

You are probably right madgran. I am just tired of having to agree with pretence, as a general rule women are not as physically strong as women, this makes them vulnerable to male strwngth. This is not a flaw or a character defect, its just reality.

Yes! And I had to smile at the Freudian slip ?

Like so many other issues in the past, I suspect that someone (probably a natal woman) will have to lose their life before anyone, in the NHS or the government actually does something about the car crash of mishandling that is "trans rights and its affect on women in vulnerable situations". But probably not even then because there'll be an apologist, or enabler, to protest that it's all natal women's fault.

Lady Nicholson makes the point;

"I think it is completely wrong that the National Health Service should be instructing or allowing staff to mislead patients - to tell a straightforward lie," she said. 'It is not acceptable."

It is not only wrong, but I think it may actually be illegal. Following various NHS scandals the government introduced a law named the ‘False or Misleading Information Offence’ that addresses the misuse or falsifying of data within the NHS. Published in 2015 it assumes further widening the scope of the offence in the future and it could be argued that this case meets the criteria for the offence.
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/403084/FOMI_Guidance.pdf

Galaxy

We made really critical mistakes very early on, we should never have pretended in order to be kind.

Indeed!

We did. The cries of "But they're just like any other woman! Why are you so worried about it?" I really can't decide if those assurances were deliberately deceitful and made by enablers with their own agenda or whether they were just as duped as the rest of us but too ashamed to admit it.

Chewbacca

I completely agree with you Beverley, it's like we sleep walked into this debacle, believing that everyone would be respected, treated fairly and with dignity. That was our mistake. With the aid of trans activists and their "allies", women have been well and truly screwed over. We now have nowhere that we're safe, not even a hospital bed, prison or refuge. We're not to ask for intimate examinations to be conducted by a female and if we're raped or assaulted by them, we mustn't insult them by referring to them as a male. It's a stacked deck against natal women. And alarmingly, is supported by some enablers.

Thanks Chewbacca, spot on

We made really critical mistakes very early on, we should never have pretended in order to be kind.

I completely agree with you Beverley, it's like we sleep walked into this debacle, believing that everyone would be respected, treated fairly and with dignity. That was our mistake. With the aid of trans activists and their "allies", women have been well and truly screwed over. We now have nowhere that we're safe, not even a hospital bed, prison or refuge. We're not to ask for intimate examinations to be conducted by a female and if we're raped or assaulted by them, we mustn't insult them by referring to them as a male. It's a stacked deck against natal women. And alarmingly, is supported by some enablers.

Chewbacca

It's the lying that angers me Iam64. They lied that the rape ever took place. They lied that a male was on the ward. They accused the victim of being a liar. They continued to lie for over a year and they're STILL lying now that a woman can rape another woman - not sexually assault her - rape her.

This is exactly the point Chewbacca. I read that it is hospital policy not only to allow males onto female only wards just because they «feel» like a woman, but that if anyone on the ward objects, the staff are instructed to deny that there person is male - officially mandated gaslighting of women!

The poor victim in this case was put through immense distress for a year after the event because the police - believing the lies of the ward staff that there was no male on the ward - considered that a rape could not have taken place. Fortunately there was CCTV that proved what the victim said. I refer to rape as per s.1 of www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1/crossheading/rape

Baroness Nicholson has also stated that she knows of at least 5 other cases. We will, of course, never know about the cases where the victims are simply incapable of speaking up for themselves.

I genuinely fear for my safety if I had to go into hospital. The dignity of safety and women is really not a priority in the NHS. And yes, it's partly at least as a result of trans activism that insists that trans identified males should be treated as if they were women, simply because that's how they feel. That's not transphobic, it’s a fact. I know of trans identified males who would never use a women's toilet or changing room etc and are appalled at the way TRAs are damaging their chances of being accepted simply as what they are.

Sago…..?
What an awful experience, completely of the scale I am so sorry for you. I hope time heals and eases that terrifying memory. I’ve spent most of my working life in hospitals and agree buzzers are not answered very quickly but they shouldn’t be routinely for dire emergency but notification that a patient needs something. There is a different sound for the former.
I’ve also had my turn as a patient and it’s a horrible feeling being stuck in that bed so vulnerable I’d not wish it on any single person.

It is an interesting read JaneJudge; so who's needs are paramount in those circumstances? The vulnerable woman who's unable to attend to her own intimate care? Or the trans person?

There seems to be an awful lot of trans people in the uk, we don’t hear much about them here, they seem to just fit in to everyday life. No one notices much, just acceptance. As for the rape well, clearly it was a male who did that, not a female unless they are using an extremely broad definition , perhaps digital ?

It's the lying that angers me Iam64. They lied that the rape ever took place. They lied that a male was on the ward. They accused the victim of being a liar. They continued to lie for over a year and they're STILL lying now that a woman can rape another woman - not sexually assault her - rape her.

Interesting read!

This is an interesting need. It is about social care though but raises some really interesting legal points

legalfeminist.org.uk/2020/07/25/my-body-my-choice-privacy-and-consent-in-personal-care/

Thanks for the link Chewbacca. It’s difficult to find the words to condemn the tweet. This individual is a mental health specialist practitioner so in an influential position, with face to face involvement with patients. In a similar role, we were expected to dress in a way that would be acceptable to our diverse client group and avoid making controversial statements

The point being simple, our politics and presentation being neutral would be to the benefit of service users. That’s the job, this person should resign and join an activist group where her views will be welcome

An NHS Mental Health Specialist has deleted her Twitter account after claiming a female patient, who had been raped in a single-sex ward by a trans-identified male last year, was raped by a "woman."
Eleanor Melvin, whose LinkedIn describes her as a Mental Health Specialist Practitioner with the Coventry and Werwickshire Partnership NHS Trust, deleted her Twitter after sparking massive outrage with her comment.

Replying to Twitter user Ermine Amies and Baroness Nicholson, Melvin wrote: "It's horrendous that she was raped. Though, your transphobic views are wrong. The NHS were not lying, there was no male on the ward. She was raped by a woman."

Here's the link:

www.reduxx.org/post/nhs-mental-health-specialist-deletes-twitter-account-after-gaslighting-rape-victim

Women are not as strong as men that should say. Crikey thats probably a freudian slip.

You are probably right madgran. I am just tired of having to agree with pretence, as a general rule women are not as physically strong as women, this makes them vulnerable to male strwngth. This is not a flaw or a character defect, its just reality.