Trans Nurses

The poor woman, having to wait a year for confirmation that there was a male on the ward.
A terrifying ordeal made worse due to gender politics

Isn't this one of the things that were never going to happen.

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Surely what is really needed is a change in the terminology? Because clearly, women regardless of their genitalia, are capable of rape. Rape as a 'specialised' crime that must involve a penis is ludicrous. As if a penis is the only thing that is capable of violating someone, internally.

It's yet another example of the exaggeration of the male sex organ. There are many ways to assault someone sexually that are not limited to being violated with a penis and to label them as 'lesser' because a penis wasn't involved is ridiculous.

And yes, in this case, this information should have immediately been made available. I would say it was a deliberate attempt by the hospital to protect the rapist and should be a chargeable offense.

I agree with you on this Gagajo it’s possible to violate/rape with objects.

I understand that U.K. law only classes a sexual assault as rape if the victim has been been penetrated by a penis.

What that poor woman went through is disgraceful. Bad enough that she was raped and violate in the supposed safety of a hospital ward, but she was disbelieved and accused of being a liar, was brought to the edge of a breakdown and was gaslighted that she must have imagined it all. It took the NHS Trust a whole year to admit that it was true, despite the fact that they had checked their cctv and had the evidence right there.

But this couldn't happen could it? A male, with a penis, dressed, presenting, and accepted as a woman, couldn't/wouldn't harm a vulnerable woman would he? So let's allow them in more of our safe spaces. It'll be fine.

OR we could support a change in terminology. Anyone is capable of rape. Then anyone can be considered a threat, regardless of genitalia or the clothes they're wearing.

Would have stopped the shocking response of the hospital in its tracks and everyone on duty on that day could have been questioned by the police.

Men commit 97 % of violent sexual assaults. If someone told me that I had been raped by a woman after Ihad been raped by a man I would consider that further abuse.

Exactly Galaxy

Phobia/Phobe/Phobic these are all used against women when they try to point out that putting on a dress, calling yourself Suzie (apologies to all Suzies out there) and IDing as a woman whilst having a penis and testicles does not make you a woman and never will…

What gagajo said.

People pick their professions, trans or not

Transphobia in this board is off the charts

Its just impossoble for some people to acknowledge male violence. Its perfectly understable but not helpful. A man raped a woman. Thats what happened. No need for change in terminology and no need to further abuse a victim by forcing her to pretend that she was raped by a woman.

Careful, Hithere. Posts have been deleted for far less than accusing people of transphobia.

The heading of this thread is "trans nurses" - but I have read other reports that this rape was carried out by a transgender patient.

Clearly, either way it is a horrific crime and badly handled by the hospital management.

Galaxy

Its just impossoble for some people to acknowledge male violence. Its perfectly understable but not helpful. A man raped a woman. Thats what happened. No need for change in terminology and no need to further abuse a victim by forcing her to pretend that she was raped by a woman.

Any discussion that includes the words 'women, regardless of their genitalia' has entered the realm of the surreal.

I refuse to get involved in any sort of discussion of what sort of non-consensual violation is 'lesser' than another (!!), but will post out that only a rape with a penis can result in pregnancy and/or transmission of HIV or other STIs. For that reason, if for no other, it is a different and separate offence from that of penetration with an object, and it can only be committed by a man.

Also, calling assault by women 'rape' would be yet another way to manipulate statistics to mask ways in which women's lives are made worse by a patriarchal society. This would clearly suit the agenda of some, but nobody who has women's interests at heart would countenance such a travesty.

In the House of Lords last night, @Baroness_Nichol raised the awful impact on women's safety of the NHS adopting gender ideology.

The male apologists in this board is off the scale. And if you want to see some real fury and anger about this, head over to Mumsnet.

Yes, I don't think it was a trans nurse, the article I read said that it was a trans patient but that nurses were told to say that there were no males on the ward.

Well said doodledog. Your posts are the voice of common sense in a surreal world.

Look. Trans people aren't going away or back in the closet. This is the new normal.

So either we adapt or criminals will be able to hide behind outdated laws.

Nurse or patient, it is absolutely disgraceful that this was covered up for over a year.

The hospital deliberately hindered the chance of a police investigation.

Women need women only safe places, I am yet to see any argument which dissuades my opinion on this.

GagaJo

OR we could support a change in terminology. Anyone is capable of rape. Then anyone can be considered a threat, regardless of genitalia or the clothes they're wearing.

Would have stopped the shocking response of the hospital in its tracks and everyone on duty on that day could have been questioned by the police.

That makes a lot of sense actually

I've heard of so many attacks in hospitals to the living and deceased as was recently prominent in the news. I can't believe this keeps happening even with cctv, security and safeguarding checks in place. It's so worrying. I'm so glad they are finally listening to the victim here.

Hithere

What gagajo said.

People pick their professions, trans or not

Transphobia in this board is off the charts

No it is not. You have clearly not read the posts,

As Baroness Nicol said in the HoL "you cannot rape if you do not have the structure of a male". This rapist was a male. Not a female.

Galaxy

Men commit 97 % of violent sexual assaults. If someone told me that I had been raped by a woman after Ihad been raped by a man I would consider that further abuse.

Yes, so would I.

Galaxy

Its just impossoble for some people to acknowledge male violence. Its perfectly understable but not helpful. A man raped a woman. Thats what happened. No need for change in terminology and no need to further abuse a victim by forcing her to pretend that she was raped by a woman.

Of course male violence is an issue. It is a tenet of feminism to resist it.

But society can't force every trans person to bear the brunt of one person who used the cover of women's clothes, in order to commit a rape, to label all trans people or prevent their integration into a civilized society.

No one is suggesting women should suddenly come under attack for sexual violence. Just that the terminology needs to change.

Let's face it. Of all of the rape accusations against 100% cis / heterosexual men, only 1.6% result in a charge.

The issue here isn't trans. The issue is that rape is not really seen as a crime by the establishment.