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The implications of a person changing his or her surname

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StarDreamer Wed 20-Jul-22 10:23:34

Many (most?) men go through life with the surname that is on their birth certificate.

Some change their surname, for various reasons.

Many (most?) women who marry change their surname upon marriage.

Upon divorce, some women revert to their birth surname.

I suppose there could be situations where a widowed woman remarries then divorces and goes back to her former married name.

Starting a new job, starting to receive occupational pension, are two examples where a person needs to produce a birth certificate (I used a certify copy, no way was I risking using the original document, just in case grin)

For me, male, it was straightforward, but what happens when, say, a woman starts a job while unmarried, later marries, then years later claims her occupatinal pension?

Is it straightforward, basically because in our culture a woman often (usually?) changes her surname upon marriage, so the system is designed to recognise that as "how it is" or is it a lot of hassle?

What if a woman is employed then marries and changes her surname generally, but continues to use her birth surname at work?

And so on?

Please discuss.

Hithere Wed 20-Jul-22 12:56:40

I kept my last name and never planned to change it.
I don't belong to anybody, why shall I change it?

I never had issues anywhere and my kids have my husband's last name, per my choice.
He asked me if I wanted them to have my last name and I declined

Because my kids are biracial and they look a lot like their father (luckily!), I carry the birth certificate when we travel.

So no, nobody questioned me why I didn't change it.

A dh's colleague asked my dh if he wasn't offended I didn't take his last name - my dh's reply " why shall I be? I choose not to change mine to match hers"
That colleague was irate and angry at me doe disrespecting my dh

Some countries' laws do not let women change the last name when they marry a never a problem in matching kids to the parents

MawtheMerrier Wed 20-Jul-22 13:03:45

With access to all your links and the advice you have pointed Oopsadaisy towards, I fail to understand why you have been unable to answer your questions from your own research.
There is curiosity and there is inquisitiveness , one can generally satisfy the former from Google.

sodapop Wed 20-Jul-22 13:06:32

It's difficult here in France as a woman's maiden name is used on all official documents. It led to problems with the vaccination pass and passports not matching. I had difficulty as I only have a shortened version of my birth certificate and that was not acceptable. The joys of bureaucracy.

Sago Wed 20-Jul-22 13:24:19

Stardreamer If you are asking these questions as research for your book then you need to be transparent.

StarDreamer Wed 20-Jul-22 13:26:34

MawtheMerrier

With access to all your links and the advice you have pointed Oopsadaisy towards, I fail to understand why you have been unable to answer your questions from your own research.
There is curiosity and there is inquisitiveness , one can generally satisfy the former from Google.

This is a social media site, some ladies have mentioned being divorced twice and so on, so I started a thread to discuss what problems, if any, arise in practice over people, female and male, changing their surname, either once or more than once.

The theory might be fine, but when there is someone in officialdom who either has not been trained and does not know what to do or acts on their own prejudices and gets into an oh oh oh stuffiness attitude it might well not work in practice.

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 13:33:24

I know.
Let's all spend all day googling and dispense with chat sites altogether!

My friend changed her name to the surname of the man she was soon to marry.

She was told it was perfectly legal to do so, without any official route.

She had problems with the council accepting that, although everything else was fine.

StarDreamer Wed 20-Jul-22 13:41:17

Sago

Stardreamer If you are asking these questions as research for your book then you need to be transparent.

This is nothing whatsoever to do with my book.

We have been through a bad couple of days with the heatwave, and I just fancied a social chat as I am having a quiet day or two gradually getting over it. I am not writing an article about this, it is not about the book which has been quoted from another thread by someone, not by me.

I have seen various newspaper articles that seem to be based just on quotes from a Mumsnet thread, but I did not do that, and if anybody were to do the same with this thread then it is not me or me giving anybody a hint or whatever.

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 13:53:54

It would be a real page turner, I'm sure. grin

Nell8 Wed 20-Jul-22 13:54:45

My granddaughter has the two surnames of her parents as DiL chose to keep hers after marriage, which is common nowadays. I just wonder how this will pan out if DGD marries a lad who is also double barrelled. Will their children have four surnames?smile

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 13:58:09

Some people combine their surnames into one.
My older grandson has a double barrelled name, but one is more or less dropped, now, as it's such a mouthful.

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Jul-22 14:00:16

Not something I've ever thought about TBH. My mum was married 3 times and changed her name each time and my brother changed his surname to a double barrelled one to incorporate our maternal GF's surname.

Changed mine when we were married almost 42 years ago.

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Jul-22 14:01:08

Our posts crossed MissA and both mentioned double barrelled surnames!!

StarDreamer Wed 20-Jul-22 14:02:28

Which one is listed first, and is there a hyphen or a space between them, or do they just join, please?

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 14:03:25

Great minds think alike, Smiles.

I was just thinking about first names, because when I worked in care homes, a lot of people used names that were nothing like their given one.

StarDreamer Wed 20-Jul-22 14:05:12

I wonder how often surnames become extinct.

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 14:06:14

For my granson, mother's surname, hyphen, father's surname.

I don't know if that's the way it's generally done, though.

MissChateline Wed 20-Jul-22 14:08:07

I’ve been married 3 times, twice to men and lastly to another woman. I’ve never changed my surname and it has never crossed my mind to do so. My children took their fathers name to make things clearer for staff when they were at school but again this has never been an issue for anyone.
I’m currently trying to sort out admin stuff for my elderly father and having the same surname as him has been really helpful. Like previous posters have said, I’ve never belonged to anyone so don’t see the reason for a name change.

sandelf Wed 20-Jul-22 14:11:34

When I married it was only the very odd who did not take the husband's name. The name I took has a nice sound and people generally like it. BUT I now regard it as a socially approved form of abuse, going with the notion that a woman is owned by her father until he 'gives her away'. It pretty effectively wipes out your pre wed identity (as numbering members of an army or prisoners is meant to do - and it works). My birth family has an exceptionally interesting past (in royal history and more recently in Methodism and suffrage) - and I did have some personal achievements in my own right before marriage. Change of name has been destructive for me and I do privately remind myself 'who I am' from time to time. Today I would not take my partners name.

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Jul-22 14:12:59

My GF's is first StarDreamer because it sounds better that way and there's a hyphen between them. He didn't want our GF's name to disappear from our family which would have been the case as our mum and his sister, were the only children.

Ah well my name causes problems MissA. I'm not called by my first name as it was my mum's and maternal GM's and it was thought having 3 with the same name would be confusing.

Begs the question why they chose it in the first place. So, I'm called by an abbreviated version of my second name, the full name being after my paternal GM.

StarDreamer Wed 20-Jul-22 14:13:05

That is interesting.

So if a woman who has married and changed her surname needs to get Letters of Administration regarding the estate of her intestate father, does that produce a problem?

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 14:13:08

Nowadays some men take their partners name, too.

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 14:17:30

Do official documents have your given name on them, smiles?

Jaxjacky Wed 20-Jul-22 14:18:04

StarDreamer I’ve changed my surname twice through marriage, the third time I chose not to, my children have the surname of their father, no problems encountered.

Smileless2012 Wed 20-Jul-22 14:19:29

I've no idea StarDreamer I wouldn't have thought so as she'd have her birth certificate with her original surname as well as her marriage certificate.

We had friends who did that MissA, made a double barrelled surname out of their surnames. I remember some animated discussion as to whose would go first. Her's in the end because it sounded better that way.

MissAdventure Wed 20-Jul-22 14:20:48

My nan, after naming my dad and getting the birth certificate, changed her mind.
So, she scribbled out the name on the certificate and wrote the one she now preferred.