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So Very Many Years For WASPI Women

(106 Posts)
Margs Wed 27-Dec-23 08:27:19

Do you think - as I do - that successive administrations are simply sitting on their well-paid arses and complacently waiting for all the women affected to just die?
Thus, a massive saving in compensation.......
Leaves me so very angry.

TillyTrotter Wed 27-Dec-23 08:30:12

Sadly I do not think any WASPI will get back pay for their State Pension - it is just too costly to the Government (and I am one).

I am glad to see our State Forecasts show an increase for the wait we will have been forced to make.

Margs Wed 27-Dec-23 09:05:15

Well, when I look at the expensive debacle called HS2......I wonder if compensation really is THAT unfeasible.

bikergran Wed 27-Dec-23 09:44:55

Margs I too am a WASPI I try to follow any new info about this ,but when I start reading it just sort of goes over old news.

I am also sure I am owed the HRP ( I had big gaps on my NI years or so I was led to believe) I have been expecting a letter but as yet nothing. But what is strange is when I looked on my Gove. gateway account around 5 mnths ago I had quite a few "not full years" When I checked about a mnth ago I now only have 1 year that is not full. So I will be investigating this in the new year.

But yes going back to WASPI. they just keep delaying and delaying. Watch this space hmm

Poppyred Wed 27-Dec-23 09:50:47

I don’t think there will be compensation. We are getting more pension than the ones who retired at 60. Time to move on…..

Daddima Wed 27-Dec-23 09:51:14

TillyTrotter

Sadly I do not think any WASPI will get back pay for their State Pension - it is just too costly to the Government (and I am one).

I am glad to see our State Forecasts show an increase for the wait we will have been forced to make.

I don’t think there was ever an intention to pay back pay, rather to award some financial compensation as recommended by someone or other ( the Ombudsman, perhaps?).
Either way, I won’t hold my breath.

Toetoe Wed 27-Dec-23 10:02:29

Following this discussion

Maggiemaybe Wed 27-Dec-23 10:09:54

Well the Ombudsman did find maladministration, so I believe there will eventually be some compensation paid.

A tiny token amount, doled out in the dim and distant future, and certainly too late for the many WASPI women who will have shuffled off this mortal coil by then.

TillyTrotter Wed 27-Dec-23 10:15:49

That could be the plan (that nobody is telling us) Maggiemaybe 😔

Maggiemaybe Wed 27-Dec-23 10:21:57

Poppyred

I don’t think there will be compensation. We are getting more pension than the ones who retired at 60. Time to move on…..

That’s true for many, but not always the case, Poppyred.

Because of changes that were brought in regarding how superannuation payments and “opted out” years were treated, my forecasts under the old and new pension schemes were more or less the same. I had a letter showing both when I got to retirement age.

Joseann Wed 27-Dec-23 10:23:37

I gave up expecting any compensation a long whole ago. I must take a look at the new increased amount for when my turn comes.

Joseann Wed 27-Dec-23 10:25:11

I had a letter showing both when I got to retirement age.
Can I ask what you mean by that please?

Joseann Wed 27-Dec-23 10:25:37

Maggiemaybe

Visgir1 Wed 27-Dec-23 10:31:19

Poppyred

I don’t think there will be compensation. We are getting more pension than the ones who retired at 60. Time to move on…..

I'm one too.. Not a hope now. I was one of the fortunate women who did get a notification letter telling me of the changes. I was surprised others didn't.
Best of luck to those who want to continue the cause, but not hopeful.

Nannynoodles Wed 27-Dec-23 10:36:38

I too have given up expecting any compensation and am looking forward to starting to receive my pension in the spring, it’s actually quite a bit more than friends get who started receiving theirs earlier, so for that we must be grateful.
It would also worry me that if we did now get a substantial payout where would that money actually come from?, I realise some Waspies are struggling financially but so are many young families and I wouldn’t like it taken from them.

Joseann Wed 27-Dec-23 10:40:34

Nannynoodles

I too have given up expecting any compensation and am looking forward to starting to receive my pension in the spring, it’s actually quite a bit more than friends get who started receiving theirs earlier, so for that we must be grateful.
It would also worry me that if we did now get a substantial payout where would that money actually come from?, I realise some Waspies are struggling financially but so are many young families and I wouldn’t like it taken from them.

Good post Nannynoodles.

maddyone Wed 27-Dec-23 10:43:10

I think the government, of both colours, will put this on the back burner, to be honest. They have no intention of paying out to the WASPI women, who will gradually die and therefore disappear, because there are many other things that both parties would prefer to spend money on. WASPI women are not important to any of them.

Jackiest Wed 27-Dec-23 10:58:59

I don't think there will be any compensation so best to look on the bright side. In terms of money as women live longer we still get more from our government pension than men do. So for things to be really equal men should get their pension at a younger age than women.

Elusivebutterfly Wed 27-Dec-23 11:04:10

I do not believe the Government will pay out anything to waspi women. I think the higher rate of the new state pension versus the old lower one will be their answer to complaints.

Those of us older waspi women had to work a couple of years past 60 but still get the old state pension. We are the ones that missed out most.

If the younger waspis live to around mid 70s, which the majority will, they will have recouped the missing years with their higher pensions. Those who live to mid 80s or more will have gained.

eazybee Wed 27-Dec-23 11:04:41

In response to the crude opening post I have never understood why a section of the female population image they are entitled to five years extra pension because they did not bother to discover the date when they could retire with fill pension.

Joseann Wed 27-Dec-23 11:23:37

Joseann

^I had a letter showing both when I got to retirement age.^
Can I ask what you mean by that please?

Don't worry, I get it. I thought you meant two separate letters to choose!

rafichagran Wed 27-Dec-23 11:40:00

I am a WASPI, I got my state pension this year. Please remember alot of women did not hear about this change until too late, many have suffered financially, had to sell their homes or have had to work until they are 66 with heath conditions. I worked until 66 but did not have the health conditions of some.

When I retired I paid 41 national insurance contributions, I have a small to medium occupational pension which I am taxed on. I also lost £7 a week on my new state pension due to my occupational pension. Also our pensions is something we have paid into.

I hope we get compensation that is owed to us, but will not hold my breath. I would not feel guilty taking it either. I am also sick of people talking about it affecting the young people. I am a Mother and so are most WASPI women, my daughter would be pleased if I got compensation, so would alot of adult children with young children themselves as they want to see us have a decent standard of living.

In my opinion there has been maladministration and we should be compensated.

Elusivebutterfly Wed 27-Dec-23 11:58:11

One way the Government could have made things fairer would have been to allow people to retire after paying a certain amount of years NI. Some waspi women started work at 15 and paid NI for 50 years. They could have delayed the increase in age until those who left school at 15 had retired.

Margs Wed 27-Dec-23 15:17:52

Eazybee: your comment is very,very complacently of the I'm-Alright-Jack variety. I presume you are a Lottery winner......

Maggiemaybe Wed 27-Dec-23 20:55:51

Joseann
I had a letter showing both when I got to retirement age.
Can I ask what you mean by that please?

Don't worry, I get it. I thought you meant two separate letters to choose!

Sorry, Joseann, I wasn’t ignoring you, I’ve been out all day. smile

Yes, just before my 66th birthday I got a letter showing me what my entitlement would have been under the old scheme and what it was under the new scheme, and how these figures were worked out, showing superannuation payments, etc. Then confirming that I would get the higher of the two amounts under some transition agreement. This was based on the new state pension, but wasn’t the full amount, as I’d been opted out for a good few years.