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Who is my son’s next of kin

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Alltogethernow Mon 30-Sept-24 17:29:03

My adult son has recently bought his first house.

Myself and his father split before his birth 32+ years ago and his father has no interest in him. My son has probably seen his father half a dozen times in his life. He told me the last time he saw him was in 2019 although they text each other very occasionally my son has expressed that he really doesn’t like him ( i won’t use his actual words as it would get me banned)

Suffice to say son has very little interest him.

My question is should my son die who would be classed as his next of kin? Me alone or me and his father. I’m pretty sure he hasn’t written a will.

M0nica Fri 27-Dec-24 12:57:24

Anyone can be next of kin if someone decides that is who they want. Because most people tend to choose close family members, it does not follow that it has to be and where someone has to be appointed it is done on th basis of closest relative.

I was next of kin for an uncle by marriage. His brother was older and iller, so he said I was his next of kin.

Homestead62 Fri 27-Dec-24 11:46:30

Talk to your son and advise him to get a will made, especially since he has people he wants to make bequests to. I can never understand people who don't make a will, it leaves one helluva mess behind that takes months to sort out. I speak from experience. I have made sure I have my will and POA in place.

BlueBelle Fri 27-Dec-24 10:24:00

My aunt who was very close to her brother my Dad and visited each other at least weekly was rushed into hospital Nit expected to live, when my dad visited his sister he wasn’t allowed to see her at first as he was not down as NOK ,her carer was !!! he had to get his sisters permission, thank god she wasn’t unconscious to change it so that he could even visit her.

It appears my aunt was totally under the carers helpful ‘spell’ and had been taken by her to get her pension each week etc When she died ALL her money had been wiped out she was actually penniless without even her next months rent. it came to light that the carer had had a new family car and lots of expensive family holidays
My aunt died soon after we found out her flat had been emptied of anything of value We tried to prosecute the carer but she said my aunt thought of her as a daughter and had willingly given her ‘ presents. We could prove absolutely nothing It broke my Dad

Grantanow Fri 27-Dec-24 10:11:36

Next of kin has no legal standing whoever they are.

M0nica Thu 31-Oct-24 17:24:32

The fall back position is the nearest blood relative, but you can nominate who you like.

When I was looking after my uncle who suffered from severe depression. The rather unpleasant psychiatrist(that is another story) who was meant to be treating him insisted that his brother was his next of kin and that my uncle did not have capacity to make his own decision, even though he wanted me to fill that role. So I asked his brother to write a letter saying he was too unwell to fill the role (which was true, he was in a care home) and delegated the role to me.

Grantanow Thu 31-Oct-24 09:36:52

Being next of kin confers no legal status.

Nannarose Mon 07-Oct-24 17:33:41

Just to be clear, you can name anyone as 'next of kin'. It has no real legal status, and is mostly used in hospitals and similar situations. So your son would probably name you in those circumstances
If someone dies without a will, then the estate is distributed as the link above explains - and whoever your son wished to be called his 'next of kin' has no bearing.
Your son can make a simple will for free (donation to charity requested) at certain times - usually well advertised by local solicitors.
He can also make a simple will, cheaply, by using LawPack forms: www.lawpack.co.uk/
They are not suitable for anything other than the most straightforward of wills, but better than nothing! DH & I have used them at a couple of points in our lives when money was tight and the instructions were simple.

mabon1 Mon 07-Oct-24 14:36:15

You can name anyone as next of kin, it doesn't need to be family. I was next of kin to a dear friend of mine who was many years older than I, I didn't know until she was rushed to hospital.

AuntyTrouble Mon 07-Oct-24 14:07:24

You are. Unless he's married when he dies then his wife/husband is. Try to get him to write a,will, it's not hard and can be done cheaply. It will save you a lot of hassle if something happens to him unexpectedly.

vampirequeen Thu 03-Oct-24 15:43:36

As others have said. The only way to make sure his father doesn't have any claim on his estate is to write a will.

newnanny Thu 03-Oct-24 13:02:53

Get your son to male a simple will. My son's didn't have a will until they bought their houses.

sazz1 Thu 03-Oct-24 13:00:54

Normally it's closest relative but you can actually legally nominate anyone eg a friend as next of kin if you want.

Ellylanes1 Wed 02-Oct-24 03:06:36

So sorry to hear the loss of your daughter, LisaP

Hilsmetime Tue 01-Oct-24 21:53:21

This is very helpful from Citizens Advice . www.citizensadvice.org.uk/family/death-and-wills/wills/#:~:text=It%20is%20important%20to%20choose,of%20someone%20who%20has%20died.

The next of kin isn't automatically the executor or beneficiary of your will so these both need to be made clear in the will.

Sarahr Tue 01-Oct-24 21:46:56

I believe an unmarried child's parents are next of kin. Should he marry, then his wife becomes next of kin, then any children he may have. It is possible to make a free will nowadays. Most charities have an option to make a free will. Worth suggesting.

Witzend Tue 01-Oct-24 17:17:01

MrsSquirrel

If your son dies without a will, the estate would be distributed according to the rules of intestacy. It's a bit more complicated than what you say. It will differ depending on where he lives, e.g. the rules are different in England and Scotland.

www.gov.uk/inherits-someone-dies-without-will

Do get him to make a will! If he doesn’t, does he realise that at least some of his assets would go via intestacy rules to the father he doesn’t like?

grandtanteJE65 Tue 01-Oct-24 17:12:43

You may be able to nominate anyone as your next of kin, but this is beside the point here. OP's son has obviously not nominated anyone.

THere are two issues here, who the next-of-kin is at present, and who inherits if this young man should die intestate.

To find out, Op needs to consult a solicitor, as the law is presumably different on these points in England and in Scotland, and strictly speaking we do not even know where the people involved live.

GranPepp Tue 01-Oct-24 16:56:36

Someone said here it's complicated by the place, eg. Scotland or England or Wales, Ireland, and I agree as the rules of intestacy vary. I did wonder why you were asking tbh - has your child got a large mortgage you are frightened will come to you as a problem, or has your child got a lot of money or death in service in benefits you are worried will go elsewhere? I have children and I have slight worries about my grandchildren if their parent dies young but not to inherit. Mostly children out-live their parents

rocketstop Tue 01-Oct-24 13:38:21

Oh sorry, to answer your original question, next of kin can be whoever the person chooses to put on their documents, medical records etc so if you are happy with it, your son should say you, as it doesn't look as though he has any siblings. he could put the name of say a trusted cousin if there is one too.

rocketstop Tue 01-Oct-24 13:36:18

Your son needs to have a will.End of story.

SallyatBaytree Tue 01-Oct-24 12:46:33

As I recall from career in Mental health..involving Sectionning under MHAct... admittedly a long time ago

Next of kin can be whomever a person has chosen to be named as such. Friend or relative or neighbour or anyone really as long as named person knows.
However the "nearest relative" is legally defined ( and has to be consulted if traceable) in formal situation such as sectionning
The nearest relative is tightly defined as older of 2 parents if alive and known, or responsibility then passes to a sibling , oldest first etc. And so on down predetermined line. Someone can make wishes known that do not want to act as a nearest relative and pass on responsibility to next in line.

leeds22 Tue 01-Oct-24 12:28:42

My son refers to his father as his 'biological parent'. When he was single he had a will leaving everything to me, not that he had much but as he traveled widely it was good to have.

DaisyL Tue 01-Oct-24 12:07:36

You can nominate anyone to be your next of kin - a relative, a friend or a neighbour. It's entirely up to your son, but he needs to write it down somewhere - if he is ill doctors/hospitals will usually only divulge information to the next of kin.

LisaP Tue 01-Oct-24 12:01:59

My daughter died in August - I am her next of kin, not her father and not both of us together - just me.

fluttERBY123 Tue 01-Oct-24 12:00:28

I thought these days you could nominate anyone you liked as next of kin, in fact I thought it was an outdated concept. In cases of intestacy it is family who benefit. Wondering if who you name on your passport would carry any weight.