'The thug in police uniform'. (Daily Mail today)

Come on girls "nail your colours to the mast"

I feel it's a case of the police force 'looking after their own' when, in fact they should be looking after us. Disgraceful.

Greatnan and Nonu, are you saying that if someone has a different opinion from the majority on here, they shouldn't be posting? It does seem like that. My remark about the media coverage on the family was indeed nothing to do with the trial and I should have posted it separately.

Not at all , anyone can post , however , you haven"t answered question about whether you are a new poster

Does that make a difference?

Oh for heaven's sake. It's not the least bit important when someone joined Gransnet and, of course, any member may post on any subject with any opinion at a time of their choosing. I don't think anyone is suggesting that an opinion differing from what seems to be a consensus shouldn't be expressed. I should be horrified if they were. For all that, I still think your view is mistaken ameliaanne.

Whats with the coyness Amelianne ?

No coyness Nonu. It's irrelevant whether it's a first post or a hundredth.

Ladies!

Apparently the victim appeared to be being awkward and looked at him. When did it become a capital offence or indeed any offence to look at someone or appear to be being awkward.

I doubt the 'red mist' would be a reasonable excuse if I beat someone to death because I thought he was being awkward and looked at me.

Oh I don't know? Now if it was the git next door!

That's not a very nice welcome for ameliaanne or AnneMaria, just because they have a different opinion to some doesn't justify the comments they have been getting. Sorry - but I feel that I have to stand up for them, they are just as welcome on here as any of us

Nobody is saying they are welcome , in fact if they are new posters it may nice to say so , so that people may welcome them

To be fair, a lot of new members just start off with the odd post or two, then gradually get more confident. I certainly don't see why they should announce that they are new if they don't wish to.

Oh dear ,first sentence wrong , obviously meant to say "Nobody is saying they are NOT welcome . doh

Of course they are welcome but what everyone is not saying is are they on here because they have an axe to grind regarding this case. If not, why are they not forthcoming about when they joined.

This is far from the first time the police seem to have got away with things that others would not have. I remember many years ago a pregnant girl (Gail Kinchin) standing at the top of the stairs and shot dead by the police who were after her criminal partner. Or there was the time they shot a young boy lying asleep in bed when they were looking for his father. In neither case was any firearm found. There seems to me to be a different rule for them than for the rest of us.

After reading this article to-day I just can't understand how this person was allowed to join a section of the Police Force with out being throughly vetted and checked for goodness sake, you can understand if he made a one off error of judgement in his career but he seems to have used his powers to the limit and is just an out and out bully thinking that his position will always get him out of trouble.

Sorry Greatnan, I agree with Am-an & A-m...there is controversy in many cases..I agree with the remark re the relatives..the man apparantly had been kicked out of home years before...do I sense woodwork & compensation here?, also not sure if I like the dig re first time comments & newbies...not all of us are Guardian readers..

What on earth has reading the Guardian got to do with anything?
I didn't say AA and AM were not welcome - I just commented on what a coincidence it was that they both appeared to make their first post and agree with each other.
As for commenting on the Tomlinson's family relationships, again, what the heck has that got to do with whether or not he should have been unlawfully killed. I think the family want justice and a civil court might give it to them.

I realise this will not be a popular comment, but does the fact that Amelianne and Annemaria have not posted before somehow disqualify them from expressing their views?

beyond measure.

No, they can express their views. I repeat, I merely commented on the coincidence of their happening to post within minutes of each other.

AmeliaAnne

"I think that until any of us have done the job we cannot totally understand."

I have done the job, and I don't understand. The video clip clearly shows an unprovoked push.

I agree! You didn't make them wellcome.

Wellcome to both of you. We are nice on here honestly, but some times tempers can get frayed!
A bit like ral life actually!

Any right thinking person in or out of the police force surely could not condone hitting out at a man from behind ? We see this brutal approach to control exercised in other countries and roundly (and rightly ) condemn it. Evil flourishes because good people do nothing.