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Jimmy Savile

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merlotgran Mon 01-Oct-12 15:15:59

Do you believe the allegations that he groomed underage girls for sex and if so, do you hold accountable those in the media/BBC et al who heard rumours, had suspicions, saw evidence etc., but said nothing (probably to protect their careers)?

Personally, I always thought he was weird - even going back as far as schooldays when he was an up and coming DJ. I wouldn't have been at all surprised if all this had come out years ago and maybe it should.

Ana Thu 01-Nov-12 22:01:36

And he did lie about never having met JS - until footage was produced.

Greatnan Thu 01-Nov-12 22:15:40

Jingle - do you know Freddie Starr?

merlotgran Thu 01-Nov-12 22:24:06

Freddie Starr has come across as 'unhinged' on many occasions. That doesn't mean he's guilty of abusing young girls but I dont think he's ever cared what people think of him. Restrained is not a word he was familiar with in his heyday.

annodomini Thu 01-Nov-12 22:57:20

Latest news is that he has been arrested.

AlieOxon Fri 02-Nov-12 06:12:34

Also try
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1419884/Pop-mogul-link-in-Kelly-sex-abuse-case.html
from 2003.............

AlieOxon Fri 02-Nov-12 06:13:25

Matthew Kelly always made me feel uncomfortable sitting too near to young girls in hospital.

Greatnan Fri 02-Nov-12 07:32:25

Isn't Matthew Kelly more inclined to boys?

AlieOxon Fri 02-Nov-12 08:17:09

That's what I remember.

Boys have been mentioned re Savile too, though.

feetlebaum Fri 02-Nov-12 09:09:52

Perhaps we should also remember that Matthew Kelly was never charged as no evidence against him had emerged.

At one time I worked as music director for the impressionist, Paul Melba. He and Freddie Starr were pals, having been brought up together in Huyton. As a result I met Freddie on quite a few occasions - once we visited him at home when his then wife was away in hospital. My main memory of that evening is making sure never to get between Freddie and the swimming pool! Freddie and Paul were both fond of women... but I never heard the slightest whisper of anything illicit about either of them.

Riverwalk Fri 02-Nov-12 09:32:56

Is it any wonder that children and young teens find it difficult to report abuse and inappropriate behaviour when everyone from the royal family, the Vatican, BBC, NHS consultants, Esther Rantzen, Savile's own relatives and almost everyone who ever came into contact with him, kept quiet for over 40 years.

jO5 Fri 02-Nov-12 10:54:08

nanaej Jimmy Savile always seemed weird though. Freddie Starr just seems bonkers. But harmless. (I could be wrong!) Who knows?

petallus Fri 02-Nov-12 11:57:37

Did anybody else see this letter in the latest edition of Private Eye:

'Is there anybody out there who has not been molested by Sir Jimmy Savile - apparently the world's most successful paedophile?

Well, I wasn't but only because I never met him. I was however "abused" in modern parlance, by Sir Norman Wisdom OBE, who once unexpectedly thrust his tongue down my throat while I was trying to interview him.

I think he was just a foolish old goat - perhaps he was going into self-parody, but should we perhaps start up a new line of enquiry about him just for a change? Perhaps they can both be exhumed and reviled together?'

Name of sender given but I am omitting it.

petallus Fri 02-Nov-12 12:04:21

I have been remembering the headmaster at school. When we were in the sports hall, in our knickers, lying on our backs with our legs in the air, he would come in and 'inspect' us, taking his time about it.

He used to get girls to stand by his desk and read to him whilst he rubbed their backs and fiddled with their bra straps. There was a rumour that on one occasion he deliberately walked into the changing room when one particularly attractive girl was getting changed.

That sort of behaviour with adolescent girls and young teenagers was rife in those days and probably still is. It's a terrible and despicable way for grown men to behave but I still worry more about very young children being abused/raped on a regular basis in institutions and the home.

jO5 Fri 02-Nov-12 12:08:24

shock to both of the previousd posts!

Oldgreymare Sat 03-Nov-12 08:46:57

... and now the North Wales abuse scandal rears its ugly head once more!

Did anyone see the superb but incredibly moving play: 'Care'?
It starred the immensely talented Stephen Macintosh and was screened in 2000. I think it was based on the N.Wales case (which wasn't really concluded satisfactorily in my opinion anyway!)
The final scene was so moving!

Greatnan Sat 03-Nov-12 09:06:49

No wonder girls didn't report Savile -the headmistress of the home for 'difficult' girls has been interviewed and actually said the girls were asking for it and they were 'no angels'. They were disturbed young women, aged 15 to 18 , and she should have been protecting them.
She comes across, even at 91, as absolutely vile simply anxious to protect herself.
I refused to witness girls of 16 being strapped (on the hand) for smoking when I taught in a Catholic High school in 1973. There was always some underlying hint of sexuality in all corporal punishments as far as I was concerned.

jO5 Sat 03-Nov-12 09:26:10

BBC drama Care

Warning - it is horrifying.

soop Sat 03-Nov-12 15:51:29

jings shock sad angry

Marelli Sat 03-Nov-12 15:54:15

jO5....I'm scared to look at the link. I've a feeling I know what might be there, but I can't look at it. sad

jO5 Sat 03-Nov-12 15:57:18

Don't read it then Marelli. Don't put yourself through it. flowers

Marelli Sat 03-Nov-12 16:00:19

flowers to you jO5.

Ana Sat 03-Nov-12 16:04:26

Hmm...food for thought there. Thanks for that link, jingl. Not as straightforward as it might seem, then.

Greatnan Sat 03-Nov-12 16:12:09

I am quite sure that many people are claiming to have been abused either for attention or because they hope to get compensation. I taught a girl who had accused several house-fathers in the various care homes where she had lived of sexually abusing her. The effect on their careers and marriages was devastating, even though there was no truth in any of the allegations. She had me fooled completely until it was proved that she was not even in certain homes at the times she said she had been abused. She had had a very troubled childhood -her mother was a prostitute and 'M' would come home from school to find her plying her trade in the living room. She was au fait with all the various sexual activities and this gave credence to her stories. It was quite possible that some of her mother's clients had abused her, but not any member of the social work team.

I vividly remember the 'Satanic abuse' scandals and the brutal way in which children were snatched from their parents because of the ludicrous belief of one or two social workers that the children were being ritually abused. There then followed the issue of 'false memories' - a so-called expert would take the children back in time and 'remind' them that they were abused.

I have no doubt that Savile and others in high places did abuse large numbers of young people and I hope the false allegations will not distract the police from pursuing the real culprits.

Daisyanswerdo Sat 03-Nov-12 22:39:01

Jimmy Sovile

jO5 Sat 03-Nov-12 22:41:15

It must be so hard to sort it all out.