Jimmy Savile

I've also just remembered staying in a farmhouse b&b for one night with a friend [we were @17] and having to barricade the door to stop the farmer coming into our room. Did we complain or tell anyone? Of course not.

My twin daughters went on a school brass band trip to Poland at the age of 14, and one of the teachers' husbands sat on a chair outside their bedroom all night, defending their honour! A group of older drunken German youths were causing mayhem in the hotel and the Krakow police would not remove them. One girl was grabbed in the lift. They were evicted in the morning. The police were not interested. It seems that much abuse is disguised as high spirits, and the harm done when alcohol has been consumed is often dismissed.

yes indeed when better late than never. I'd like to voice my support to all who have disclosed difficult experiences on this thread,
As for js's relatives - no widow. no kids. no big issue?

~ Oh, I am so sorry to hear of the disclosures on this thread. It's been a brave thing to do.

I can't explain my experiences, except to say "Yes, me too!" ~ and thank you for helping me to say that.

Butty thank you too xx

Jess precisely! On its own, not a significant factor, but combined with attitudes, access to children, ability to separate them from their parents or carers, distorted thinking (look how he rationalised Gary Glitter's offending), and lifestyle, certainly raises the level of concern.

Butty xxx

Butter

Who rationalised Gary Glitter's offending, and how? Have I missed something?

Butter xx (hugs)

Phoenix JS has been interviewed previously and dismissed GG's offending as just having a few thousand abusive images of children that have done no-one any harm and he only had them for his own use. Completely forgot the children in the photos, and that these images were evidence of child abuse. Now, a woman has come forward to describe how she saw GG abusing a girl in JS's dressing room. Don't know if that interview is included in tonight's documentary. Seems the police have interviewed JS and GG several times over the years. I bet there's some very nervous showbiz people worrying about the next knock on the door.

Thanks for the explanation, when , that really does say something about JS's attitude!

Re Gary Glitter..Savile said he just 'watched a few dodgy films and was vilified for being a celebrity'.

Yes, and Hitler opened a few holiday camps for the underprivileged.

All quiet this afternoon - I was just checking in to see if you folks are Ok after earlier painful disclosures. Emotional and physical abuse in my past - but not this kind fortunately.

I've just caught up on this thread. It must have been hard to make these disclosures and it does show the level of trust that has grown up on Gnet that you felt able to do this. Hope you are all OK and not regretting it. ((((hugs))))

Part of Eddie Mairs PM prog on Radio 4 at 5pm will be an interview with the maker of tonights TV programme speaking about how the documentary cam to be made.

This thread reminded me of the story of Joyce Maynard who ended her affair with JD Salinger (yep the famous author) at age 19. She was 18 when they got involved after he contacted her when he read a piece she had written and saw the accompanying photograph, he was 35 years her senior, her parents encouraged it "in awe of the man" and it took her years to recover from the affair, she had gone to see him after something like 25 years, as we all know he lived his life as a recluse - and wrote: "Last time I saw him,” Maynard wrote, “I was a frightened and crushed girl . . . and he was, to me, the most powerful man in the world. . . . He told me I was unworthy. But when I stood on his doorstep the other day, I was a strong and brave 44-year-old woman and I knew he had been wrong.” She's not had an easy life - bulimia etc but has had success as an author, screenwriter. Here's quite an interesting article about J.D. Salinger's women, from last year nymag.com/nymetro/arts/features/2162/. I hope this thread isn't too upsetting for some - hugs to all.

Thanks Jess ~ Sorry to hear of your experiences. I hope others are ok, too.

I've just taken a step back for reflection, after thinking 'oh bugger blast, I wish I hadn't posted that' and wished for a delete button. Reflecting earlier might have been wiser! But I'd come to the point of getting really fed up of avoiding this issue of sexual abuse which seems to have cropped up quite frequently on various threads , and wanting to 'give voice' and say to hell with it. So, in retrospect, I am pleased to have posted what I did. It's part of who I am.

~ Dance on the day of 14th February 2013 ~ One Billion Rising.

So now Gary Glitter is becoming involved again, how many others? This could well open a very large can of worms. The posts so far from Crimson and others indicate how widespread a problem 'kiddy fiddling' was. Let alone others forms of abuse. Perhaps I was fortunate to have been a gawky unattractive child, but it meant I had no idea how to cope with groping old men when I hit teenage. It always felt it was our fault didn't it. How awful, foolish and impossible it must have been when it was a 'Star' 'fiddling'.

There's a strong sense of women taking back the power today. What a good feeling when I hear of women outing a secret they never consented to keeping. Bravo to each one of you, and 14th February can't come soon enough!

I don't think any of us knew how to cope with groping men of whatever age back then. It just wasn't talked about. The only warning we seemed to get was not to 'go too far' with a boy - and that was really only to avoid the shame of an unmarried pregnancy!

Butter you are so brave to say what you have done - you are among friends here

In my case Nfk it really was "kiddie".

Just read through the whole thread and what is coming across is how tentative and ashamed those of you who have had theses experiences are,it feels as though you feel you have no right to complain or say anything it is as your fault you invited these actions.
These were inflicted on you as young women or children by family members,friends,and people you trusted,each of you who have posted sound as if you have experienced this and feel ashamed,it has opened up so many reactions and comments and painful experiences.
I have just been talking to two friends of E's abused by a 15 year old boy at the beginning of the summer,this will stay with these two girls for the rest of their lives,I have just heard the raw pain in their voices and the confusion this has caused and the fall out in our small community.
I know the victims are not always women and girls,why should the perpetrators of these crimes get away with this nellie xxxxx for all of those abused wether you posted or not xxxxxxxxlove nellie

I'm getting off this thread again! How did I get back here?