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Dave Lee Travis

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nanapug Sun 18-Nov-12 12:14:56

Yes I agree with you Ana, but if I received advances that I didn't want, I told them to stop and I walked away. It certainly didn't affect me for the rest of my life. If he didn't stop it would have become rape, and I don't think they are accusing him of that. I just don't like the fact that it is always the man's fault.

absentgrana Sun 18-Nov-12 12:13:25

It does seem to be something of a mistake for Operation Yewtree officers to be side-tracked by accusations of groping by a has-been DJ decades ago. Clearly concerns about sexual abuse of children, however long ago, are far more important.

Nevertheless, the fact remains that sexual molestation of women is not "just having a cuddle". An uninvited "quick feel" is not an enjoyable experience.

Ana Sun 18-Nov-12 12:09:13

I think that in the cases being brought up now, nanapug, the point is that the advances of the men in question were not enjoyed, or encouraged - they weren't in any kind of relationship.

nanapug Sun 18-Nov-12 12:04:56

I am sorry but I think these people are just jumping on the band wagon and it is detracting from the really dreadful child abuse situations. I thoroughly enjoyed having a "cuddle" with prospective boyfriends in the sixties, and a little grope was the norm. I wouldn't be with my OH now if it wasn't ;) This is totally different from rape, and IMHO these women are being prudish and they have probably forgotten how excited they were to have the attention of someone famous and were probably giving out the wrong messages.
I am afraid I feel sorry for the young men nowadays too. You see these girls going round with the shortest shorts with their buttocks showing and skimpy tops leaving nothing to the imagination, and then they complain when the young testosterone filled men come on to them. What do they expect. Please don't get me wrong, I am not saying it is ok but it is not fair.
I expect a lot of you will disagree with me and I am not saying anything forced on you is ok, Rape is a dreadful thing, but a quick "feel" is a very different kettle of fish and I am pretty sure many of us have been there and at the time, thoroughly enjoyed it. I know I certainly have.......

absentgrana Sun 18-Nov-12 11:44:53

He is quoted as talking about touching women's "boobs" [his word] being "called having a bit of a cuddle in his day". Only by men if the women hadn't consented to having their boobs handled.

Nanadog Sun 18-Nov-12 11:44:47

OFGS what grown woman hasn't had to put up with, or put down, something like this in years gone by? Deal with it. It's nothing to do with child abuse.

jO5 Sun 18-Nov-12 11:20:40

Exactly petallus. It was mean to bring it up just at this point in time.

There can be no chance of anything being proven (proved?) and who can say what the atmosphere was like in the studio at the time.

petallus Sun 18-Nov-12 11:05:10

JO5 how I agree with your OP.

Many people will now think he is a paedophile. I should think his career is over.

I wonder what made those women come forward now, after all this time.

This big moral panic and witch hunt which is now taking place does not make up for indifference to abuse in years gone by.

jO5 Sun 18-Nov-12 10:58:22

shock Sorry Beeb!

JessM Sun 18-Nov-12 10:35:37

j0 if a manager is doing an enquiry into any form of 'gross misconduct' the employee is often suspended on full pay until the investigation is complete and there has been a decision about whether to proceed with a disciplinary hearing , and whether the presence of the person in the workplace constitutes a risk. This is good practice and very standard.
Exactly barrow women still find themselves in situations where they are told they have no sense of humour if they protest about inappropriate male behaviour.
Remember the allegations made recently by a female DJ about behaviour of male DJs on Radio One. No children involved but that was an example of what i would call gross misconduct. Not saying that was what this case is about.
No trial by Twitter, or Gransnet.

Barrow Sun 18-Nov-12 10:13:25

He has been taken off air by Magic FM not BBC.

He has said it was just cuddling but I can remember having to "discourage" this kind of thing when I first started work, only to be told that it was "only a bit of fun". My response was it all depended on which side of the "fun" you were on.

jO5 Sun 18-Nov-12 10:05:34

I think the BBC have acted wrongly in taking this dj off the air with immediate effect. He has never been tied in to any child sexual abuse. The complaints against him are being made by two grown women.

I think the BBC have been grossly unfair because, in many people's minds, this will link him to child sex abuse. An unnecessary slur on his character.

Of course, he should have to answer for any misdeeds that occurred in the eighties, but this should be investigated by the police separately from the ongoing Jimmy Savile enquiries.

This is becoming a witch hunt.