Dave Lee Travis

He has been taken off air by Magic FM not BBC.

He has said it was just cuddling but I can remember having to "discourage" this kind of thing when I first started work, only to be told that it was "only a bit of fun". My response was it all depended on which side of the "fun" you were on.

j0 if a manager is doing an enquiry into any form of 'gross misconduct' the employee is often suspended on full pay until the investigation is complete and there has been a decision about whether to proceed with a disciplinary hearing , and whether the presence of the person in the workplace constitutes a risk. This is good practice and very standard.
Exactly barrow women still find themselves in situations where they are told they have no sense of humour if they protest about inappropriate male behaviour.
Remember the allegations made recently by a female DJ about behaviour of male DJs on Radio One. No children involved but that was an example of what i would call gross misconduct. Not saying that was what this case is about.
No trial by Twitter, or Gransnet.

Sorry Beeb!

JO5 how I agree with your OP.

Many people will now think he is a paedophile. I should think his career is over.

I wonder what made those women come forward now, after all this time.

This big moral panic and witch hunt which is now taking place does not make up for indifference to abuse in years gone by.

Exactly petallus. It was mean to bring it up just at this point in time.

There can be no chance of anything being proven (proved?) and who can say what the atmosphere was like in the studio at the time.

OFGS what grown woman hasn't had to put up with, or put down, something like this in years gone by? Deal with it. It's nothing to do with child abuse.

He is quoted as talking about touching women's "boobs" [his word] being "called having a bit of a cuddle in his day". Only by men if the women hadn't consented to having their boobs handled.

I am sorry but I think these people are just jumping on the band wagon and it is detracting from the really dreadful child abuse situations. I thoroughly enjoyed having a "cuddle" with prospective boyfriends in the sixties, and a little grope was the norm. I wouldn't be with my OH now if it wasn't ;) This is totally different from rape, and IMHO these women are being prudish and they have probably forgotten how excited they were to have the attention of someone famous and were probably giving out the wrong messages.
I am afraid I feel sorry for the young men nowadays too. You see these girls going round with the shortest shorts with their buttocks showing and skimpy tops leaving nothing to the imagination, and then they complain when the young testosterone filled men come on to them. What do they expect. Please don't get me wrong, I am not saying it is ok but it is not fair.
I expect a lot of you will disagree with me and I am not saying anything forced on you is ok, Rape is a dreadful thing, but a quick "feel" is a very different kettle of fish and I am pretty sure many of us have been there and at the time, thoroughly enjoyed it. I know I certainly have.......

I think that in the cases being brought up now, nanapug, the point is that the advances of the men in question were not enjoyed, or encouraged - they weren't in any kind of relationship.

It does seem to be something of a mistake for Operation Yewtree officers to be side-tracked by accusations of groping by a has-been DJ decades ago. Clearly concerns about sexual abuse of children, however long ago, are far more important.

Nevertheless, the fact remains that sexual molestation of women is not "just having a cuddle". An uninvited "quick feel" is not an enjoyable experience.

Yes I agree with you Ana, but if I received advances that I didn't want, I told them to stop and I walked away. It certainly didn't affect me for the rest of my life. If he didn't stop it would have become rape, and I don't think they are accusing him of that. I just don't like the fact that it is always the man's fault.

I agree, nanapug. The 60s and 70s were different times, and I'm sure we've all been subjected to unwelcome advances in the past which didn't traumatise us for life. I think these revelations came about in the light of the Jimmy Savile accusations to illustrate the laissez-faire attitude prevelant at the BBC and elsewhere at the time, and now it's getting seriously out of hand!

Agree Ana and nanapug unless something more substantial comes to light then this is getting out if hand and, more to the point, drawing attention away from the real issue. I doubt there is any one on these forums who has not relieved unwanted or uninvited 'gropes' for lack of a better term at some time in their life and most of us dealt with it, either verbally or physically. And as for being traumatised...get a grip.

well said nana dog, also feel I had unwanted attention from my b i law when I was only 14!! He married my sister when I was 12, suppose if I wanted to open hornets nest i could report it, after all this time, makes you think, my mother knew about it but in those days you kept quiet.

I said to him once what would my sister day, how can you do this, and he said smugly she would not believe you, i had quick temper and he said she would think you made it up!!!

They still together my sister is under no illusions about him, but what good would raking up past do? I do not think it damaged me for life!!

We do not socialise much with him but I love my sister and niece and great nieces. Life can be complicated!!

I do think the whole thing is now getting seriously out of hand.

maybe not Ana just read your post, but surely t his woman who complains now about being touched on breasts by Travis should have spoken out at time? Not excusing this behaviour but as been said on hear, most of us have been on receiving end and a quick slap or rebuff should be the end of it.

I haven't seen any firm information about why DLT was arrested. It may be more than unwanted groping. All I have read are his comments.

As a teenager in a bank donkeys years ago one soon learned that there where some men who you kept at arms length. I am NOT condoning it - it was just a fact of life. If you gave them a hard stare, flinched and or said something loud enough for others to hear they did not do it again. There were other girls, however, who would giggle and go back for more. That was the 70s - it happened and you just lived around it. Nowadays we know better and hope our daughters will never have to put up with it. For some people, (and I'm not talking about the child abuse victims - thats a whole different thing) to be looking back at those times and start complaining about what was considered a failrly normal thing especially on the edges of show business is a shame.
The cynic in me thinks that as there has been a certain amount of talk about law suits, these historic events are being dredged up for disingenuous reasons.

For those of you who missed coverage of the allegations re Radio 1 here are some links. The issue of "why not complain" is covered. I think they revealed these things against a background of discussion about the culture prevailing in certain parts of BBC some decades ago.

www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/06/dj-liz-kershaw-routinely-groped-bbc
www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/07/sandi-toksvig-i-was-groped-on-air

In my day stilletto heels were most useful - a forceful step in the right direction followed by a very loud ''Oh my goodness did I hurt you ?'' soon left the offender with a very red face !!! We had to learn , in those days , to take care of ourselves , and we did unless it was a very serious offence .I could easily now accuse one or two men of groping ,but in those days we just got on with it and sorted them out in our own way . 30 years is too long ago to accuse someone of groping - just 'Get Over It ' !!!

Poor old Hairy Cornflake. I once met a very well known (even now) celeb in ATV television studios - I was wearing a blouse with a pear pattern on it. He said, "thats a nice pear" whilst looking at my chest..IT WAS FUNNY! I LAUGHED! I was 26 years old. Nowadays would he be pilloried in the press! This cannot be compared the JS horror stories.

I wish I had the chutzpah of a friend of mine. She worked in London and was on her way to work in a crowded tube when she felt someone groping her. She grabbed the hand held it in the air and shouted, I have just found this hand on my body who does it belong to! The offender was very red faced and got off at the next stop.

I agree we all had to deal with men who thought they were Gods gift and could say or do anything but we, usually, managed to deal with it. I remember working with one man who liked to get a bit too close so whenever he walked into my office I would open the drawers on either side of my desk to set up a barrier!

There are a number of posters who experienced what we now call "sexual harassment" and had the confidence to deal with it. That does not make it right. Or should it ever be the woman's responsibility to "deal with it".
Not now, and not ever. It was and is a form of intimidation aimed at "keeping women in their place" and it still is. When the JS scandal broke it was obvious that there would be others caught up in the investigations. I don't think they deserve our sympathy. And if they are alive, they may still be "at it".

Must have been difficult for those women to confront someone like that; perhaps even fearing for their jobs if they did so. But things were different then..just look at programmes such as Life on Mars; it was quite a culture shock to watch that at the time.

Oh! Yes, riclorian, stiletto heels were a boon. However, in those days we did just get on with it, and I do rather feel that a lot of people are jumping on the band-wagon. Personally, I quite like a hug with friends, and realise we are not talking about friends here, but for some people it is natural, and can easily be misconstrued. Now we all have to think twice about what we do, what we say and where we say it. It is a sad world at times.