Richard III

Can't beat 'Daughter of Time' IMHO

Kingmakers daughter I think.

Which were sympathetic JessM?
I'm biased in his favour as he used to own the castle here. We've got his boar on our church. He was about the last person to do much for the place

Here are the historical novels I read and enjoyed recently all giving different angles on RIII:
They varied in how sympathetically they viewed him.
The Kingmakers Daughter by Phillipa Gregory - about Anne Neville
Gregory also wrote a novel much more sympathetic to Elizabeth Woodville - the White Queen
The Red Queen re Margaret Beaufort, mother of Henry Tudor.
A Dangerous Inheritance by Alison Weir.

Jess M

I was dreading that question, you are absolutely right. It reads like he might have left a will.

I meant the neccessary 'paperwork' that had to be completed to dig up the car park, grave digging etc. It was known that it was consecrated ground and the Friary was there. Probably still not very clear.

In the interest of accuracy of my previous post about R3. It was Richard llls Father, Richard Duke of York who's head was stuck on Micklegate Bar in York. This error is probably the result of giving up history before O. levels.

How or why that just came into my mind when driving up the A50 two miles from home I have no idea. I cannot remember all sorts of other things I need to.

I think at time of death there was documentary evidence that he had dedicated money or something to York Minster so that he could be buried there. He should be allowed his last wish - I mean it's his skeleton.

I've nothing against Leicester mind you. I grew up near there.

What paperwork pogs - I presume you are not talking about original as in "time of death" ?

I might be touch biased too, having lived here for over forty years!!

Wasn't there a clause in the initial paperwork that stipulated he would be buried in Leicester. Also isn't there a mandate by law that if a body is exumed it will be reburied at the nearest place of consecrated ground? I appreciate that there can always be extenuating circumstances and I accept this could well be one of them.

I really don't know. I just thought I heard those points mentioned by the news coverage I watched on the day.

broomsticks "chopped to bits and slung into a hole indeed"

He was darn lucky not to have his head on a spike on the gates of York like his Grandad. Those Lancastrians were ruthless!

( I am conveniently Ignoring Edward Vl pulling a few Lancastrians out of sanctuary at Tewksbury Abbey and butchering them some years before.)

Not good times those.
Richard was buried with due reverence if no ceremony by the Greyfriars. I suspect even Henry Vll would not want to inflame the populace by not allowing a decent burial to an annointed king.

I don't think there were too many Tudor upstarts hanging about Leicester at the time they would not have been welcome.
Thinking about it my Dad lived in "Tudor Road" in Leicester! They also have a King Richard's Road which leads out west towards Hinkley and Bosworth.

I have to admit to being from that City with half of my ancestors from the rural area west of Leicester. I just might be a wee bit biased.

If you are not sure about Richard 111, read Josephine Tey,s book The Daughter Of Time.

The city of Leicester was on the side of the Yorkists for years in the wars. That was very important in times like theirs.

I agree. What did Leicester ever do for him. Except dig him up.
York gets my vote. He certainly would not like to be surrounded by those Tudor upstarts whose only claim to the throne was via an illegitimate line (if I've got that right - Mother of Henry 7 descendent of John of Gaunt and Katharine Swynford?)

Westminster Abbey is full of Tudor isn't it? He probably wouldn't like it there .

I believe Westminster Abbey is out because there is no room left for burials, my vote would be for York. I hope it will occur to the organisers that it should be a Catholic service. It's been a great achievement though - I haven't felt such a buzz since Italy won the World Cup

It'd be nice to have him in York. He's about the only powerful person who has ever done much for the north. Mind you it was a while back
There is actually a petition to have him buried in York Minster.

He has been here a while vampirequeen

I like Richard III. He's a very misunderstood maligned king. His lands were in the north and York was his city. He should be buried in York or in Westminster Abbey to be near his wife, Anne Neville.

Leicester only want him because of the tourist money he'd bring in.