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j08 Wed 07-Aug-13 13:07:56

I know I shouldn't laugh but, honestly! grin

Bags Wed 07-Aug-13 16:43:57

Africa's a continent, not a country, and an extremely varied continent at that.

Grass skirts come from Hawai.

Don't you think he could have meant any country where aid money is wasted?

I like your comment about politicians preparing what they say, but they often don't. They're always making gaffs.

whenim64 Wed 07-Aug-13 16:35:16

Yes, Bags many harmless stereotypes are humorous, and I liked the point about people who talk about the incorrectness of certain words that aren't challenged by those children's non-white peers, yet the children are the ones with the pals of all races and not the older person who doesn't like the word. Our children thankfully integrate with other races so much better than we generally do.

Politicians who don't carefully edit what they are going to say are either foolish or do intend what they have said. Bloom has given a clear message to the anti-immigration lobby that, despite UKIP saying it's not racist, it is. His ill-thought out response - it could apply to a mythcal Ruritania - is rubbish. He qualifed his Bongo Bongo Land comment with a remark about them spending aid on sunglasses. He meant Africa.

noodles Wed 07-Aug-13 16:28:03

Nelliemoser and whenim64 Of course, you're right.

Bags Wed 07-Aug-13 16:19:58

Thanks, nellie. I had no idea about the historical significance of the term BongoBongoLand.

I tried to write post earlier about what I think is our over-sensitivity to harmless stereotypes but deleted it as I couldn't express it well. I still can't but here is some of it in any case. You need to remember what I said above about not having come across the BBland term before.

There is nothing actually wrong with wearing a grass skirt and having a bone through your nose. People of all skin colours (there is only one human 'race') wear things far crazier than grass skirts, and wear face and other body furniture that is, in effect, the equivalent of a bone through one's nose. So it must be the historical perspective that nellie highlights that makes the BBland reference a problem. Plus the fact that it was a Ukip member who used it.

I just read this which I feel is telling about modern attitudes. A son is reprimanding his dad for what he sees as racist remarks even though he knows his dad is not racist:
"It was what you said, not just what you felt, E tried to explain. Maybe it was a generational thing, but he had always thought it should be monitored, addressed, fixed.

'It's strange that none of my mates have ever corrected me', Dermot once said in a rare moment of frustration. 'And they come from Trinidad and Jamaica and Pakistan and Bangladesh. You're always telling me what I should call them, but I never see you with a friend that isn't white.'

And E had tried to brush that away, insisting it was an exaggeration and moreover an irrelevance. But it lingered between them, an inconvenient truth."

It is from Mr Lynch's Holiday by Catherine O'Flynn.

Nelliemoser Wed 07-Aug-13 16:04:50

Also even.

Nelliemoser Wed 07-Aug-13 16:04:26

Alos Noodles Don't let us forget the thousands of black African slaves shipped across the Atlantic with big financial gain by traders in places like Bristol and Liverpool. Then sold to the White slave owners to be raped and abused as they were the property of these slave owners.

No one race or nation anywhere has ever had a monopoly on evil deeds.

whenim64 Wed 07-Aug-13 15:59:27

I don't remember 'proving' anything, noodles. Only trying to explain that those offences were perpetrated by white groups of men, too, and that access to victims and local demography went some way to explain what was happenng.

Nelliemoser Wed 07-Aug-13 15:56:34

I have just read all this and whenim has put it correctly. I had thought this term Bongo Bongo land had previously used in a very derogatory manner for African countries.
These images were printed in some comics complete with drawings of natives with bones through their noses depicted cooking missionaries in big cooking pots. It is not an acceptable remark.

Should we depict Jews in the manner in which they were depicted in Nazi propaganda and just about every where else in Europe over the last 100s of years. The Irish! Roman Catholics. etc etc.

The term Bongo Bongo land has these particularly bad historical connotations of prejudiced and ridicule.

noodles Wed 07-Aug-13 15:51:26

Is that spoken comment, connecting 'bongo-bongo land' to horrible racist images, more worthy of condemnation than Pakistani muslims actually raping and abusing young white girls?

I seem to remember you producing lots of information proving those awful crimes were actually not racist, but opportunist, which somehow seemed to make the crime less terrible.

whenim64 Wed 07-Aug-13 15:46:58

Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase & Fable (19 ed.)
Edited by Susie Dent
Publisher: Chambers Harrap Publishers Print Publication Date: 2012 Published to Oxford Reference: 2013 Current Online Version: 2013

Related Content

Bongo Bongo Land

A term notoriously applied to the Third World collectively by the laid-back Lothario of the Conservative Party, Alan Clark

whenim64 Wed 07-Aug-13 15:22:31

I think Bloom is being disingenuous. The term 'bongo-bongo land' was used frequently a couple of decades or more ago, and referred to certain African countries. Boris Johnson defended a columnist on the Spectator, who used it to refer to Kenya, along with other racial stereotypes like 'spic' for Hispanic people. Wasn't it used in comics like the Beano in the 60s and 70s? I remember the cartoon strips of Abbot and Costello characters being boiled in massive drums over fire by straw skirt wearing natives with bones in their noses in 'Bongo-Bongo Land.' The connection is plain to see.

sunseeker Wed 07-Aug-13 14:32:25

I think its a shame that everyone is concentrating on the "bongo bongo land" comment instead of there being a debate about the issues raised. I also would like to know why we are sending aid to countries which have their own space programme and who are spending vast sums on guns and planes.

I'm not saying we should not send aid but there should be more accountability and safeguards to ensure the money is being spent where it should.

A little while back UK sent a specific sum of money to vaccinate children against malaria (I think), and that was what the money was spent on. If people could be reassured that this was happening with all the aid money then I don't think there would be so many saying it should be stopped.

Bags Wed 07-Aug-13 14:31:57

I'm defending his right to say silly stuff and to refer to Bongo-bongoland, or the other non-existent place he mentioned, or NeverNeverLand without people "talking offence". That's all, jings. Same as MamaCaz.

Nothing to do with his politics.

So, I'm agreeing with you that it's funny. What's your problem?

Sel Wed 07-Aug-13 14:31:08

Doesn't he just conform to one's idea of a UKIP MP? Priceless.

j08 Wed 07-Aug-13 14:23:21

I do think it was funny. Even though I don't go along with his politics.

MamaCaz Wed 07-Aug-13 14:20:31

I'll defend him - on the grounds that I think that we should value free speech.

I might be alone in this, but I am getting tired of the mass hysteria that follows any comment that is not considered PC.
People regularly make statements / claims that I totally disagree with or find distasteful, but that is the price you pay for a free society. Obviously, there are limits (personal threats, for example), but personally I don't think that the comments in question come near those.

That said, I'm willing to bet that he knew exactly the reaction his words would cause, and is relishing the publicity!

j08 Wed 07-Aug-13 13:42:18

Galen it wouldn't really have been relevant would it? confused

j08 Wed 07-Aug-13 13:41:18

Why are you defending him Bags? What's your problem?

If people choose to laugh at any of my comments, that's ok with me. So long as I believe in what I'm saying. (and I wouldn't say it if I didn't) smile

Galen Wed 07-Aug-13 13:40:57

Oh we'll back to DLA Rribunal!

Bags Wed 07-Aug-13 13:39:26

galen grin

j08 Wed 07-Aug-13 13:38:59

Yeah. To cover up his embarrassment.

Bet he wishes he'd never said it.

Galen Wed 07-Aug-13 13:38:51

Wonder what the response would have been if he'd referred to 'Never never land'?

Bags Wed 07-Aug-13 13:38:44

Do you after you've said ridiculous things that people laugh at?

Bags Wed 07-Aug-13 13:38:03

Doubt it.

j08 Wed 07-Aug-13 13:37:48

I bet he feels bad on the quiet.