Sorry, but the burka pales to insignificance....

Galen being sworn AT is entirely different and not acceptable.

What a ridiculous fuss! I really can't be bothered to go into my own views on the use of swear words (which I think serve a very useful purpose) BUT if the topic heading offends/upsets/disturbs/gets your knickers in a twist just don't read it!! Simples.
I agree 100% with KatGransnet - It ain't against the rules!
FFS ... Do "Outraged of Tunbridge Wells" types still exist?? If so, I'd rather they chose another forum!

Another forum of which I was a member did ask people not to use swear words in the thread title, but it was ok to use them in an actual post.

Going back to the remark about the danger of "dehumanising muslims" through focussing on the negative aspects of Islam... perhaps the Islamists who treat women like baggage nned to think about that. If they really cared about people, they would.

In short, I disagree that focussing on the evils associated with a certain outlook on life dehumanises normal people. Most muslim are normal people. It is only extreme Islamicists who cause problems. So no, I absolutely don't accept that focussing on an evil that appears to be caused by some muslims has the effect of dehumanising normal people who happen to have certain religious faith.

That's like saying focussing on the problem of crucifixion dehumanises all Romans because it existed during the Roman rule of Palestine. Or that fosussing on the evil of slave labour dehumanises all the people in the countries where still happens. Or that focussing on the evil of tobacco smoking dehumanises people who smoke.

So no, the argument that focussing on the evil that burkas represent risks dehumanising normal people who happen to be muslim, is not logical and I don't accept it as valid criticism.

There are lots of things that offend me when I read Gransnet, but I have learnt to walk away from those threads.

I too am amazed at the pettiness of a grown woman (or man!) who would report a thread with a swearword contained in the title.

Jingle, this reminds me of so many previous discussions about language and what is acceptable that have taken place over the last few years and only serves to remind me why I think that this is not the place for me.

sorry all but using the fword may be used in common usage these days but that doesn't make it right. I think it shows a lack of imagination by not being able to express yourself in a better way.
To be honest I've been away from this site for a few weeks as I'm visiting family. So to come back and seeing this has more or less helped me make my mind up. This used to be a lovely site with many interesting topics posted, I've been very lucky to win some great prizes. I will from now on just read the info and competition items and keep away from the forums as it seems to be going down the toilet.

Yet another post from someone who feels the need to report the language used in a post.

As I have tried to articulate before, if you don't like it don't take part in the conversation, you do not have the right to try and close down the discussion. Just because you are offended that does not mean that we are all
feeling the same.

I would far rather see posts deleted that poke fun at other Gransnetters ( oh but we only meant it in good spirit!!) than those where bad language is used.

It is not even that I am a fan of using such language myself, it is just that I resent others telling me how I can express myself

The swearing in the heading is intended to provoke controversy, just like the article by Shona Sibury on 'me time' was meant to stir things up, and it worked!

You can't possibly know that the language in the heading was intended to provoke controversy - that is just your perception of it. Could it be that Jo8 just wanted to express her frustration about the situation in Syria?

I didn't interpret the word in the heading as intending to provoke controversy either. It struck me that jingl was just angry when she posted it.

It's what Jingle does, just like the journalists who create articles that will reel every one in to complain. She has a role to fulfil on Gransnet. I await the next provocative thread headline.

I'm quite sure that Jingle would never use the horrific situation in Syria just to get attention. It's obvious from some of her previous posts that she cares deeply about the atrocities that are happening.

As it was relevant to the discussion about the burka/ niqab why didn't she just add it that thread??
As I said earlier , all it has done is provoke a discussion about the use of swearing on a forum, which has been done before , and could have been a separate thread. why don't we start one entitled, Should the House of Commons and courts of law allow its members to use any language they like to reinforce their views?

Read my post again - I did say it was the 'headline' not Jingle's attitude towards the issue she has raised. Most of this thread concentrates on the swearing, not the issue!

That was to Ceesnan - comments coming thick and fast!

Just check back - Jingle dropped her usual grenade, then departed this thread some time ago, by which time the flame was burning nicely. It's what she does

From what I've read of j08 comments on various matters I think she genuinely cares about humanity and her thread title expressed her frustration and anger at the Syrian situation. It didn't upset me in the least. Better honest rage than pious sanctimony.

when maybe she has other things to do. I'm departing now having made a comment

Abslutely, Sel.

Maybe Jingle could return to the thread she started and respond to the comments?

Not just my comments, but the ones following her departure?

Not when she's now getting people's attention by NOT being here [used to this by now...]

Oh and, much as I dislike women wearing the burka I think it's an insult to those that do wear is as a matter of choice to refer to it as a 'fucking burka', and I think HQ should have pulled it.

Yes, no problem about swearing unless it's used to abuse or insult.

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