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Watch it BBC - you're in the firing line

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JessM Mon 28-Oct-13 12:22:38

Rights and wrongs of how it is run - I have never seen any other country offer TV that is remotely as good as the BBC. USA, NZ and AUS all utterly dreadful. Exception is that US studios produce the occasional high class TV drama that is sold to world wide market (Northern Exposure, West Wing, Numbers, The Good Wife) I suspect that they are very expensive to make.
Agree their news can be a bit tedious. Al Jezeerah news is better if you want a world-wide bulletin.

gillybob Mon 28-Oct-13 11:32:17

Whilst I appreciate that everyone has different ideas as to what represents good value television, I do think the BBC needs to take a long hard look at the ridiculous salaries and fees paid to some of their so called "celebrities". It is reported that for example Jeremy Clarkson is earning receiving just under £1 million per year from the BBC and there are many more like him. I wonder is this a fair way to spend what is essentially a viewing tax?

www.standard.co.uk/news/celebritynews/bbc-accounts-show-top-gears-jeremy-clarkson-is-their-highest-paid-presenter-8711345.html

penguinpaperback Mon 28-Oct-13 10:59:06

Sky News had an 'expert' on yesterday who cautioned against walking along a cliff top at midnight while the storm lasts. Really! grin

penguinpaperback Mon 28-Oct-13 10:55:14

I agree with sunseeker I take in the news from a variety of sources too. I read The Mail and The Guardian online and I have The Telegraph delivered to the door. Reading all of them you often find the truth of a story falls somewhere in the middle of all the left/right wing rhetoric.
I'm not into BBC bashing just because.
But I don't watch any of the BBC flagship programmes and as I watch so little television, we only have Sky as OH is a big sports fan, I resent paying the license fee. So much of the money from the license fee is wasted. If the BBC is still wonderful surely making it pay to view would still leave them with a large amount of money? The crazy amount they receive at the moment has, I think, led to their downfall. I would happily pay to view a series such as Bleak House or Michael Wood's Story of England and perhaps sometime in the future the BBC should be a mix of BBC 2 and BBC 4?

MrsSB Mon 28-Oct-13 10:44:39

Maybe a cut in the licence fee would stop the BBC sending reporters to stand knee deep in water to show us what a flood looks like, or to stand outside an empty building at 6am because something might happen there later in the day.

sunseeker Mon 28-Oct-13 10:01:20

The time when the BBC was the envy of the world has passed. I don't particularly worry about whether it is politically biased as I watch, listen and read news from a variety of places. However, it is now very rare that I find a programme that either I haven't seen before or which is of interest to me (sorry I don't do soaps or reality programmes). Now I accept that I will not find all the programmes of interest but I don't think it is unreasonable to expect to see something I would find of interest.

FlicketyB Mon 28-Oct-13 09:04:32

DD used to work for the BBC and now works for a privatised spin off from it. She is very critical of the BBC. She thinks that the problem is that because it is essentially a creative industry it attracts people who are creative and questioning, which tends to mean people with more liberal and subversive ideas. It leads to a culture of creative questioning people employing others like themselves and not realising that that is what they are doing. As she said if you have strong religious beliefs or a preference for more middle of the road or right wing views you are unlikely to get a job there. This leads to there being, not specifically party political, but certainly liberal and left wing views informing programming.

I also think that governments are themselves confused about what they want the BBC to do. On one side governments accuse the BBC of being populist and dumbing down to get good viewing figures so they can be seen to getting plenty of viewers to justify the licence fee. Next they are being accused of chasing viewers and straying from an aim to provide programmes for minorities and to aim to inform through entertainment and support culture, which means lower viewer numbers.

Eloethan Mon 28-Oct-13 00:18:27

The BBC is admired the world over, and thank goodness for some channels where programmes aren't continually interrupted by advertisements. I seem to recall that there was recently enormous criticism about the way in which adverts had cut into crucial moments during sporting events. And we're not just talking about the TV but also radio. The licence fee is approximately £12 a month, which I think is very good value.

An advertisement on a commercial channel, in prime time, can cost hundreds of thousands of pounds. If this very significant amount of money was not spent on advertising, the product need not be so expensive, so ultimately this hidden cost is paid by the consumer.

I'm not sure political neutrality has been achieved on any of the channels but this latest attempt to influence the BBC's news coverage is pretty blatant.

penguinpaperback Sun 27-Oct-13 23:46:57

I don't think the BBC is impartial, it should be. I don't watch much television and I used to have Radio 4 on all day. I still listen to Woman's Hour, Poetry Please and others but the radio is not on in the background as it used to be. I think the BBC should be pay to view/listen.

whenim64 Sun 27-Oct-13 22:45:28

Well, that's gone a bit skew-whiff now so many people can watch TV programmes on demand and in so many different ways rather than on a TV, hasn't it feetlebaum? So many young people plan their own viewing and programme their computerised devices accordingly, so do not need to have a licence.

feetlebaum Sun 27-Oct-13 22:08:33

Your licence is to allow you to run a TV receiving station - not to allow you to watch BBC transmissions.

whenim64 Sun 27-Oct-13 21:53:20

I think the licence fee should be cut or removed. I struggle to understand why the BBC can still draw funding by licence now that there are hundreds of channels and many broadcasting companies. It's rather old-fashioned and reminiscent of the British empire. The more recent scandals and revelations of corruption only serve to reinforce the dysfunctionality of the BBC.

I don't know whether they are left or right wing, as it depends on what they're broadcasting. BBC News is inferior to some other news channels, and their reporting of certain high profile events is often abysmal.

I'm unhappy about the million pound paychecks that come from licence fees, the golden handshakes following poor performance, and the turnover of executives with daft new ideas.

Let the BBC stand on its own two feet, make good drama and entertainment shows, and sell them to the world to bring in revenue.

Tegan Sun 27-Oct-13 21:50:14

I love the BBC. I'm either watching BBC4 or listening to BBC Radio 6. The S.O. listens to R5. I'm quite happy to pay for quality programmes. Although annoyed that they don't support racing any more sad.

FlicketyB Sun 27-Oct-13 21:33:21

As Greg Dyke said, classical political posturing ahead of an election. BBC makes a good Aunt Sally, but afterwards they back off.

JessM Sun 27-Oct-13 20:55:38

well come on gransnetters - do you think a cut in licence fee and consequent cut in funding for the BBC a good idea or a bad one?

Eloethan Sun 27-Oct-13 19:17:35

He told voters at one election that he had been born in London, whereas at another election he said he was born in Herts.

JessM Sun 27-Oct-13 18:43:01

Oh yes that's the one riverwalk Mr Transparency himself. grin

JessM Sun 27-Oct-13 18:42:15

Shapps, sigh. (The very same who had that strange episode of building up a somewhat questionable business while using the name Michael Green hmm)
Floating the idea of this to see how it will play isn't he.
I think that we do still love our BBC and don't want to see politicians undermine it. Yes, the management have not covered themselves in glory but is that a reason to undermine this national treasure? We love our Strictly, or our Attenborough, or our Dr Who, or our Woman's Hour or our 2012 Olympics.

Part of the problem is that politicians set up the BBC Trust which is not a proper board of directors with control of the management team (if I understand correctly). Thus Patten and the rest of the crew were not able to take appropriate action over either pay deals or Saville. The idea of a board of directors sitting above the executive is a tried and tested one.
Nobody has come up with anything better. It is a darn site better than a Trust with a very woolly brief. See link:
www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/

Riverwalk Sun 27-Oct-13 18:31:53

Would that be the same Grant Shapps who, as an MP, once masqueraded as 'Internet marketing guru, Michael Green'?

And he's now calling for the BBC to be 'transparent'. confused

Eloethan Sun 27-Oct-13 17:49:19

Grant Shapps is laying into the BBC and threatening it with a reduction in the licence fee.

The BBC hasn't covered itself in glory recently but I do wonder if the suggestion that it should be more "fair" in its coverage might have something to do with a not-too-distant election.