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I'm tempted by Nigel Farage !

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NanKate Fri 28-Feb-14 20:27:46

I have always voted Conservative but for the first time in my life I feel tempted to vote Ukip.

I like the way NF is not frightened to say things other politicians daren't say, such as our island has too many people in it and not enough Services e.g. NHS to deal with us all.

I am only against the NUMBER of people who come here, not who they are or where they have come from.

I live in a town that has a great grammar school that gives opportunities to children from all backgrounds. Long may it continue.

We are so PC now in the UK I daren't voice some of my other thoughts in case I am quite unfairly accused of being against this or that group.

I find it a sad that the UK is no longer the country I remember from my childhood.

NanKate Sun 02-Mar-14 16:10:58

Thanks POGS kind words which I appreciate.

POGS Sun 02-Mar-14 15:56:00

NanKate

You have no problem 'thinking' you are naïve where politics are concerned, better to be so than have your judgement clouded by partisan politics. That is by far the worst case scenario.

It's not a case of speak first think later. Your post was quite refreshing in it's honesty and please do not keep your own counsel otherwise it get's very boring without the opportunity to discuss/debate with people such as yourself rationally and openly, whether we agree or not, just listening to and taking on board another posters thoughts and accepting gracefully their point of view.

NanKate Sun 02-Mar-14 15:36:43

Thanks Pogs and Petallus for aligning me with 'decent and patriotic' and 'honesty'.

To be honest I am far too naive where politics is concerned and should have just kept my counsel, but hey ho that's me - I speak first and think later. smile

POGS Sun 02-Mar-14 14:36:17

NanKate

The problem with a forum is you will be discussing politics with people who have quite entrenched views. There is no grey area to them.

You are possibly at an advantage by having no brain washed idea of how you will vote, I applaud your honesty.

I remember when, the now long forgotten, Godfrey Bloom was on Daily Politics he admitted that UKIP do not vote in the European Parliament when challenged. His reply was 'NO WE DON'T, WE ARE ALWAYS IN THE CHAMPAGNE BAR'. I thought then what a dick head and he obviously isn't alone. What would be the use of voting for them if that is their approach to legislative issues and speaking for the UK.

Having said that there are stepping forward 'a handful' of sensible candidates and I don't think UKIP can be mocked or sneered so readily as some like to do. However it is only a 'handful' and until they mature in their attitude I don't think voting for UKIP could lead to any purposeful meaning other than a protest vote to date.

grumppa Sun 02-Mar-14 13:14:18

Farage to me is the ultimate pub bore who props up a corner of the bar and holds forth loudly to a couple of like-minded mates on a topic of the day.

He particularly reminds me of one who prefaced every appalling suggestion with "What they wanna do...." His worst proposal was when the fate of the retired Cunard liner Queen Elizabeth was being discussed (about 1970). He said "What they wanna do is put all the [insert appropriate demeaning description of then topical immigrant group] aboard, tow her out to sea, and let the Navy use her for gunnery practice."

More extreme than UKIP? Maybe, but I can't help my recollections

Atqui Sun 02-Mar-14 12:26:30

Aka Isn't that why UKIP wants us to withdraw from the EU?

annodomini Sun 02-Mar-14 12:22:10

Too true, feetle. Their attendance record at the European Parliament is worse that that of any other group.
Wouldn't that be a waste of a lemon meringue flan?

Aka Sun 02-Mar-14 11:57:03

I don't see how anyone can limit immigration from the EU in law.

feetlebaum Sun 02-Mar-14 11:54:44

UKIP is a party of traitors - they insinuate themselves into the Euro Parliament and then do damn all for the benefit of Great Britain.

Is it just me or would Farage's smug face be vastly improved by impact with a lemon meringue flan?

mollie65 Sun 02-Mar-14 11:21:43

as I posted upthread - the effect of UKIP (they are not National front even if very right wing) may well be that the main parties will address the very real concerns of many voters which they currently choose to ignore. - this surely is a good thing.

petallus Sun 02-Mar-14 11:15:03

UKIP leader not UK leader.

petallus Sun 02-Mar-14 11:14:15

Take heart NanKate. I know you have now changed your mind about NF but I notice from today's papers that Liam Fox has advised Cameron to do something to limit numbers of low skilled immigrants coming into this country in order to deal with the threat from UKIP.

He describes the UK leader as 'personable and reasonable' and says that many of his views are shared by 'decent and patriotic people'.

granjura Sun 02-Mar-14 10:34:07

rosequartz that is one of the reasons I-d like to have a good chat with Clegg.

The UK is just not used to coalition politics- and the first past the post system has created this incredible and damaging see-saw politics which jump every few years from the sublime to the ridiculous and back again. And with more and more people feeling totally aleniated by the process- as people increasingly do not live in constituencies which represent their view/s- and their vote ending up in the bin (as was my case for the 39 years I lived in UK).

Although I am fascinated by politics, I could have never joined a party in the UK, for reasons above. I am now an elected councillor here, as I am totally free to follow my heart and reason (no party whip as such) and because we always have to work together with other parties.

absent Sun 02-Mar-14 08:07:58

rosequartz With the rate they are closing, pubs could really do with it.

NanKate Sun 02-Mar-14 06:57:20

I'm persuaded NF is not the man for me. I must have had a senior moment to think he was !

rosequartz Sat 01-Mar-14 23:30:43

As far as I remember he doesn't like wind turbines.. Can't think of anything else. Oh yes, he likes a pint. Tax breaks for pubs perhaps?

GillT57 Sat 01-Mar-14 23:22:07

Whenever I find myself beginning to agree with some of the things that Nigel Farage says ( and he is very clever at that) I remember someone describing UKIP as 'the BNP in a blazer' and then I come back to my senses. Had a heated discussion with a friend who was tempted by his rhetoric, asked her what UKIP policies on agriculture, foreign policy, education, environment, education, health, abortion etc. They dont have any. I think I will vote for the 'none of the above' party.

Penstemmon Sat 01-Mar-14 22:18:09

I heard Cameron speak when he was Shadow Education minister. He said quite clearly he was proud of and valued state education and the professionalism of teachers. Liar , liar pants on fire...so no drink with him!

Farage would probably make crass comments and jokes about minorities / women and say..'it's only a joke' ... and say he really was not racist or sexist.. Liar , liar pants on fire...so no drink with him!

Milliband & Clegg would be so earnest and over thoughtful that it would be all a bit dull an tedious.... yawn , yawn you have nothing clear to say... so no drink with them!

Bennett I know little about ..so I could find out if the Greens have any other policies other than the one their name suggests! Chat, chat, have you got a viable party...so maybe a drink withn Natalie Bennett

rosequartz Sat 01-Mar-14 21:45:14

UKIP may get more votes than Lib-dems next time, granjura. So much for proportional representation, they may be backtracking on that idea.

granjura Sat 01-Mar-14 21:06:49

Actually, I'd really like the chance to have a good talk with Clegg- about coalition politics, proportional representation and see-saw politics linked to first past the post system. I am sure he is a really nice guy and very interesting- but he just can't win... in the UK.

Ana Sat 01-Mar-14 21:06:04

Good grief, certainly no snogging! grin

rosequartz Sat 01-Mar-14 20:51:10

Just for an evening, Ana! Strictly a drink, absolutely no snogging (referring back to OP of course! )
(Sorry, had one too many glasses of wine)

Ana Sat 01-Mar-14 20:38:21

Quite, rosequartz - do we all have to take ourselves and everything else so seriously on here all the time these days?

Never mind the kids, the main leaders would be so boring! Nige knows he has no chance of winning an election so could actually be quite fun!

rosequartz Sat 01-Mar-14 20:25:28

Fair enough! But if you had to choose? hmm
Clegg - no! Cameron - don't bring the kids! Miliband - ditto!
Farage - do not mention politics and we could have a fun and boozy evening. Can't have an evening without mentioning immigration etc?? OK I think we could have a row discussion about my ancestors - and yours? Farage doesn't sound very, er English. Or Celtic?

annodomini Sat 01-Mar-14 20:10:34

I'd have a drink with almost anyone BUT a party leader!