Same sex marriages now legal

"It's only about people loving each other"

Wot, no sex?

Come on Sandi. Love you, but be sensible.

Obviously, the hate stuff is beyond despicable.

Love and Sex ..like fish and chips, bread & butter.

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or a horse & carriage !!

Exactly mcem I think that most gay people are not at all like this and now this is an aspect that hopefully will 'die a natural death', all this oohing and aahing and rolling of eyes etc and being in general camper than a troupe of boy scouts.

Oh Roses, I take it you aren't close to any gay men, or lesbian women then? What a pity, my experience is that my gay and lesbian friends are as much of a joy to me as my straight pals. If some of the gay men let their hair down, and allow their camp personality to show through, what's the possible harm?

A lesbian friend said to me that the only down side of men being with men is there is no woman in their relationship to keep their feet on the ground!

I couldn't possibly comment!

Oh come on! I get fed up with this putting people on pedestals just because they're gay. I've no doubt they are just like the rest of us. No worse but no better either.

Yes, it's strange how all the gay folk known to Gransnetters are wonderful, warm human beings with not a bad trait amongst them!

How've you deduced that, Ana? I would imagine only a tiny proportion of gay people known to Gransnetters have been discussed here and the subject has been about the right to get married, not their individual personalities

Sigh...yes, of course you're right, when.

Sorry, I don't have much experience of the ooohing and aaahing or of all the gay folk known to gransnetters. Haven't seen anyone perched on a pedestal. Think some gay 'celebrities' are distinctly ott eg Dale Winton but not Paul O'Grady - hence my possible reservations about last night's programme which proved unfounded.
My experience is limited to my daughter's circle of friends most of whom I find cheerful outgoing and polite. If that's putting them on pedestals then I'd like to pop my (straight) son and daughter up there too as they exhibit the same sociable and likeable tendencies.
If surly grunting = being a real man (like my chauvinistic and homophobic ex SiL) I'll stick with my existing circle of friends which does contain several people who just happen to be gay.

All my gay friends are delightful, intelligent, kind and fun. All my heterosexual friends are delightful, intelligent, kind and fun. They wouldn't be my friends otherwise. However, I have never seen any of them on a pedestal.

It's good – a sign of an increase in tolerance in society – that same sex marriage is now legal. It is irrelevant to the issue whether gay and lesbain people are nice to know, just as it is irrelevant whether heterosexual people who marry are nice to know.

Quite agree! Is this a perfectly acceptable meander in the middle of a conversation? Or yet another red herring? Or just a tiny indication that alll this tolerance is becoming irritating to some of us? We aren' t talking about a homogeneous group and I can only speak from my own experience. The basic premise of the thread is fairness - nothing more or less but a topic which will inevitably draw out a wide range of opinions.

Hmmmm,just a shame it isn't..... fair . Still , as my mother always said "Life isn't fair" !

From Oxford Dictionary (for all of you with oh-so-sophisticated minds, but can't quite get your head round this) "A position in which someone is greatly or uncritically admired"

Ana I hope the sarcasm was appreciated.

(pedestal thing)

Haven't noticed any universal uncritical admiration - just a few people relating their own experiences with their own friends and families. After all we're talking about normal human beings with all the frailties and faults of the human race. Some of us just happen to have families and friends we like and admire. Clearly we're lucky in that -with or without pedestals! I'm just happy that my friends and family can now enjoy a day ( and a future) that others have been fortunate enough to take for granted. That's the point of the thread isn't it?

Oh, you hear it everywhere! On here included.

Maybe they are all very nice! I only know know one in a once removed sort of way. He seems nice.

Although when you see some of the shops in Soho....... No! won't go there.

mcem you and your family have so much to look forward to. It's great to be around at a time when the rights of gay people to enjoy what has been a normal process for straights has at last come around. Criticism and objections won't stop gay couples being able to do what straight couples have been doing for a long time now - create their wedding just how they want it to be.

Jingle! "Maybe they are all very nice!" Are there any lesbians or gay granddads who can take a stand on this polarised discussion? As mcem says, there hasn't been any universal, uncritical admiration, but a few people attempting to point out that gay and lesbian people are like heterosexual people, just folks living their lives as best they can.

Let's enjoy the day, and live and let live

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