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Max Clifford

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Soutra Tue 29-Apr-14 19:58:19

Well you are all being very restrained - I have searched for a thread on this topic and can't seem to find one! So slimeball Clifford is getting his comeuppance at last. What a totally unpleasant, arrogant and nauseating character he always has been is. And how wonderfully ironic to be savaged by the gutter press red tops which in the past have promulgated his lies and distortions with such dedication. So they believed he was telling the truth then did they? Leopards and spots spring to mind.

Ariadne Wed 30-Apr-14 11:31:28

The work that is being done is gradually exposing these people, as whenim says, so it is obviously thorough and wide ranging. I noticed Cyril Smith is implicated, or was he already?

(Useless information: a "petard" was an early underground explosive, and had to be placed in a tunnel, say, under the ramparts of a city. They were extremely unreliable and tended to go off and take anyone still underground with them, hence the saying. And hence the "petit(e)? petard" in French for a fart.)

whenim64 Wed 30-Apr-14 11:50:57

Looks like he expected to be convicted, given his asset-shifting activities before the trial.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10796806/Victims-concern-over-Max-Cliffords-unexplained-loan-on-3.5m-mansion.html

GillT57 Wed 30-Apr-14 12:41:57

David Mellor can hardly blame Max Clifford for what he ( Mellor) did, all Max Clifford did was expose his for the slime ball he is. Not a fan of Clifford, and dont read the red tops, but presumably editors choose stories ( and pay for them) only if they think it will increase their readership? The really bad news about this is that it has meant Mellor being back on air with his sneering look, he makes my flesh crawl, and however much that girl got for selling her story to the tabloids vis Clifford, it wasn't enough.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 30-Apr-14 12:56:27

There was a fourteen year old girl abused on three separate occasions, in his car. Wonder why, after the first time, she got back in.

I'm not excusing him. I think he is a sleazeball he and deserves what's no doubt coming to him.

But I do wonder where the parents of the young girls were at the time.

#alwaysbeenuselessparents

Iam64 Wed 30-Apr-14 13:14:33

Always been predatory sex offenders as well. Often, they are very skilled at convincing everyone around them that they are likeable, reliable people - just like Max Clifford, and even JS

lucyinthesky Wed 30-Apr-14 13:17:55

Exactly Iam64 - many people are easily drawn in by so-called 'charm' or the promises of 'stardom' even parents who should know better.

whenim64 Wed 30-Apr-14 13:26:36

'Grooming' of children is a concept most people know about now. Planning, convincing parents the child is safe in their care, fooling the child into believing they must cooperate or they'll be in trouble or cause trouble for others. Naive children are no match for powerful adults with malicious intentions. That's why they go back.

glammanana Wed 30-Apr-14 14:50:34

These men are so clever at what they do,I do know a lady who had an experience with a molester and she was more terrified of him telling her parents that she had instigated what was going on than the abuse she was undergoing with this "friend" of the family,she was convinced by him that her parents would believe him if things where said.To this day she has never ever told her parents what went on my heart goes out to her and others affected by these men.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 30-Apr-14 14:55:12

So that fourteen year Wasn't just celeb chasing when? No seeking fame and fortune, or a taste of the showbiz life?

I wonder.

Doesn't, of course, excuse what he did. Just saying.

whenim64 Wed 30-Apr-14 15:04:08

So, a 14 year old goes celeb chasing, wants some excitement, her parents might not know, or they might even encourage her thinking she has some talent and Max Clifford could help? Does that warrant being sexually assaulted? Rich pickings for a child abuser. It doesn't matter if she's cooperating or not. Children should be protected from sexual predators, not exploited. He thought he was immune, and if we don't keep investigating and prosecuting child abusers, they will keep finding vulnerable children to harm.

More children are being guided by their parents and teachers about touching they don't invite or welcome, and the industry has had quite a shake up about safeguarding children, but sexual predators will always look for vulnerable children to exploit.

feetlebaum Wed 30-Apr-14 15:28:04

@Ariadne - are you familiar with the French 'Pets de nonnes'? They really do have some odd names for edibles... their is soup called 'Gratte-cul' too...

Soutra Wed 30-Apr-14 17:29:50

confused what on earth feetle???

Soutra Wed 30-Apr-14 17:31:41

Oh I see"peter"(phone won't do accents) = to fart. Knew that.

KatyK Fri 02-May-14 15:06:45

He got 8 years. Apparently he was very arrogant throughout the trial.

annodomini Fri 02-May-14 16:01:39

I heard a summary of the judge's remarks on the radio. He didn't pull his punches! I expect it will be in the papers tomorrow - probably on line by now.

glammanana Fri 02-May-14 16:21:23

I wonder how long he will serve out of that or if he will be moved to an open type prison,he now has plenty of time to write a book about all his famous clients.

Mishap Fri 02-May-14 16:28:00

Let us hope he serves the full sentence. It is very important that those in positions of power know that they are not above the law.

It is very disturbing that in these 3 cases (Clifford, Saville and Smith) that there were so many people who knew there was a problem but did not feel able to fight the might of a powerful person.

annsixty Fri 02-May-14 16:43:49

BBC news says he will serve 4 years.I hope so.Although why give a sentence that is not carried out in full.I have never understood that.

whenim64 Fri 02-May-14 16:52:41

With an eight year sentence, he'll have time to complete sex offender treatment in our son (so no open conditions), and will then be on parole and expected to comply with any treatment if still not showing significant change in attitude. SSD will contribute to licence conditions about not being allowed access to children, so if there are any grandchildren, he'll either not see them or only be allowed if supervised. As a high profile case, multi-agency oversight of his risk will be reviewed frequently. I wouldn't fancy being his probation officer - such a wily character, he'll be a management nightmare!

whenim64 Fri 02-May-14 16:53:24

Should say treatment in prison, not our son!

whenim64 Fri 02-May-14 16:54:33

BBC news not quite right - 4 years if granted parole at first opportunity.

Notso Fri 02-May-14 17:29:03

The findings of the Judge describe just how evil and manipulative Clifford is.

www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/sentencing-remarks-hhj-leonard-r-v-clifford.pdf

Penstemmon Fri 02-May-14 17:51:33

Out on licence means that part of the sentence is carried out in the community and he can go back if he breaks conditions of release.

jingle what ever the circumstances the 14 yr old girl was a child and Max Clifford was an adult. She is NOT to blame HE IS! He knew he should not be having any sort of 'adult' physical contact with her..even if she had wanted to get involved he should have refused.

annodomini Fri 02-May-14 18:15:28

The news flash on 5 live this afternoon did say 8 years with release on licence after 4 years.

whenim64 Fri 02-May-14 18:23:11

They should be more careful, anno. If he doesn't comply and is still assessed as too risky to release on parole, he'll have to wait. Perhaps they're mixing up the rules with non-violent/sexual offenders who are starting to get automatic release, but it doesn't apply to Max Clifford.