Max Clifford

The work that is being done is gradually exposing these people, as whenim says, so it is obviously thorough and wide ranging. I noticed Cyril Smith is implicated, or was he already?

(Useless information: a "petard" was an early underground explosive, and had to be placed in a tunnel, say, under the ramparts of a city. They were extremely unreliable and tended to go off and take anyone still underground with them, hence the saying. And hence the "petit(e)? petard" in French for a fart.)

Looks like he expected to be convicted, given his asset-shifting activities before the trial.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10796806/Victims-concern-over-Max-Cliffords-unexplained-loan-on-3.5m-mansion.html

David Mellor can hardly blame Max Clifford for what he ( Mellor) did, all Max Clifford did was expose his for the slime ball he is. Not a fan of Clifford, and dont read the red tops, but presumably editors choose stories ( and pay for them) only if they think it will increase their readership? The really bad news about this is that it has meant Mellor being back on air with his sneering look, he makes my flesh crawl, and however much that girl got for selling her story to the tabloids vis Clifford, it wasn't enough.

There was a fourteen year old girl abused on three separate occasions, in his car. Wonder why, after the first time, she got back in.

I'm not excusing him. I think he is a sleazeball he and deserves what's no doubt coming to him.

But I do wonder where the parents of the young girls were at the time.

#alwaysbeenuselessparents

Always been predatory sex offenders as well. Often, they are very skilled at convincing everyone around them that they are likeable, reliable people - just like Max Clifford, and even JS

Exactly Iam64 - many people are easily drawn in by so-called 'charm' or the promises of 'stardom' even parents who should know better.

'Grooming' of children is a concept most people know about now. Planning, convincing parents the child is safe in their care, fooling the child into believing they must cooperate or they'll be in trouble or cause trouble for others. Naive children are no match for powerful adults with malicious intentions. That's why they go back.

These men are so clever at what they do,I do know a lady who had an experience with a molester and she was more terrified of him telling her parents that she had instigated what was going on than the abuse she was undergoing with this "friend" of the family,she was convinced by him that her parents would believe him if things where said.To this day she has never ever told her parents what went on my heart goes out to her and others affected by these men.

So that fourteen year Wasn't just celeb chasing when? No seeking fame and fortune, or a taste of the showbiz life?

I wonder.

Doesn't, of course, excuse what he did. Just saying.

So, a 14 year old goes celeb chasing, wants some excitement, her parents might not know, or they might even encourage her thinking she has some talent and Max Clifford could help? Does that warrant being sexually assaulted? Rich pickings for a child abuser. It doesn't matter if she's cooperating or not. Children should be protected from sexual predators, not exploited. He thought he was immune, and if we don't keep investigating and prosecuting child abusers, they will keep finding vulnerable children to harm.

More children are being guided by their parents and teachers about touching they don't invite or welcome, and the industry has had quite a shake up about safeguarding children, but sexual predators will always look for vulnerable children to exploit.

@Ariadne - are you familiar with the French 'Pets de nonnes'? They really do have some odd names for edibles... their is soup called 'Gratte-cul' too...

what on earth feetle???

Oh I see"peter"(phone won't do accents) = to fart. Knew that.

He got 8 years. Apparently he was very arrogant throughout the trial.

I heard a summary of the judge's remarks on the radio. He didn't pull his punches! I expect it will be in the papers tomorrow - probably on line by now.

I wonder how long he will serve out of that or if he will be moved to an open type prison,he now has plenty of time to write a book about all his famous clients.

Let us hope he serves the full sentence. It is very important that those in positions of power know that they are not above the law.

It is very disturbing that in these 3 cases (Clifford, Saville and Smith) that there were so many people who knew there was a problem but did not feel able to fight the might of a powerful person.

BBC news says he will serve 4 years.I hope so.Although why give a sentence that is not carried out in full.I have never understood that.

With an eight year sentence, he'll have time to complete sex offender treatment in our son (so no open conditions), and will then be on parole and expected to comply with any treatment if still not showing significant change in attitude. SSD will contribute to licence conditions about not being allowed access to children, so if there are any grandchildren, he'll either not see them or only be allowed if supervised. As a high profile case, multi-agency oversight of his risk will be reviewed frequently. I wouldn't fancy being his probation officer - such a wily character, he'll be a management nightmare!

Should say treatment in prison, not our son!

BBC news not quite right - 4 years if granted parole at first opportunity.

The findings of the Judge describe just how evil and manipulative Clifford is.

www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/sentencing-remarks-hhj-leonard-r-v-clifford.pdf

Out on licence means that part of the sentence is carried out in the community and he can go back if he breaks conditions of release.

jingle what ever the circumstances the 14 yr old girl was a child and Max Clifford was an adult. She is NOT to blame HE IS! He knew he should not be having any sort of 'adult' physical contact with her..even if she had wanted to get involved he should have refused.

The news flash on 5 live this afternoon did say 8 years with release on licence after 4 years.

They should be more careful, anno. If he doesn't comply and is still assessed as too risky to release on parole, he'll have to wait. Perhaps they're mixing up the rules with non-violent/sexual offenders who are starting to get automatic release, but it doesn't apply to Max Clifford.