Does loosing part of the Kingdom constitute a resigning issue?

The six nations include Italy and France which, as far as I know, are not part of the UK.

Oops, belated apologies to rosesarered and rosequartz for getting you mixed up last night. I should go to bed earlier .

That's OK, Wheniwasyourage
I was trying to work out what I'd said that was so good!

My grandparents were sold out to the Kaiser by nationalist Irish.
My parents were sold out to Hitler by nationalist Irish.
Why would I trust nationalist scots?

We are all so interbred now who is truly English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh.

I think it will be a very sad day, and the ramifications will go on for many generations.

Stealing my identity will not put things right in Scotland, it only makes me angry.

How do you define your nationality, by the right to wear tartan, or anyone that lives there, in this day and age that is nonsense, just because you live in Scotland that does not mean you are Scottish.

Should Cameron resign if we have a break-up of the United Kingdom?

I don't think we will choose. If the Conservatives win the next election he may be able to stay on, if they loose - and I was listening to an discussion last saying that it is still possible that the Labour party may get the overall largest vote and be able to form a government and not be affected by the Scottish MPs leaving parliament - if they loose I think it will be a political "off with his head". So, more to do with the next election than Scotland IMO.

If Scotland leave , the Labour Party loses 41 MP's , the Tory party loses 1

When/if Scotland becomes independent, after a few elections, when the SNP has lost its raison d'etre, the likelihood is that voters will revert to Labour, or there could be a permanent coalition because of the proportional system of voting.

But if Scotland is not part of the UK there can be no MP's in Scotland sitting in Westminster surely? I haven't grasped just how independent Scotland will be perhaps

If Scotland leave , the Labour Party loses 41 MP's , the Tory party loses 1 That was what I thought Anniebach but there did seem to be a coherent argument for the possibility of Labour still winning enough to be forming the government, I think in coalition. You are right about no Scottish MPs sitting in Westminster.

anodomini I think you are right. I wonder how the SNP will present itself if they do say "yes".

annodomini, I do believe you are right when you say France and Italy are not part of the UK, thank you for this info

Gracegran, labour will have votes from Scotland next year, but once Scotland becomes independent - think ten months has been quoted - there cannot be an MP in Westminster which would mean quite possibly the Labour Party will never again win an election after 2015 . If Scotland turns in more SNP MP's next year surely they can only sit for the ten months ?

I know Anniebach but the discussion did apply to after the Scottish MPs were taken out. I am not being very helpful here as I didn't listen carefully enough. No doubt there will be more analysis in the next few days

Gracegran, so sorry, well if after and there is a possibility then you have cheered me up, thank you

Right. I have found something about this. If Scotland is taken out of the 2010 results the changes would be: Labour would loose 41 seats, the Lib Dems 11, SNP 6, and the Tories one. However, the threshold required for a majority would reduce from 326 to 269.

If Scotland stayed part of the UK Labour would need to gain 68 seats over the number they had in 2010 in the next election to win. Without Scotland they would need to gain 80. This is a big task but is fewer than the 100 gains the Conservatives made in 2010 ... so it is possible!

Sorry this has taken me so long .

The thought of a Tory for ever government fills me with complete horror, from which ever way you look at it, it is a disaster.

The thought of any government for ever fills me with horror.

Too long in power for any of them means disaster; they become both arrogant and complacent. Two terms is quite enough.

I agree rosequartz . On a much smaller scale our town will be stuck with a Labour council forever. There is no competition as no other party could/would ever get a look in. The council are so complacent. They need do very little and yet are still guaranteed success at every election.

The thought of any government for ever fills me with horror.
I good argument for PR rosequartz

Thank you Gracegran, I felt hopeful after your post but a cloud has again descended - sob - if the conservatives win next year they are going to cut the number of MP's and needless to say the majority of seats on their list are labour

Please God get Scotland to vote no

All this talk about how the Scottish people feel makes me angry. Yes it's their country and it's entirely up to them how they vote. However if everything goes down the pan after a Yes vote don't expect the rest of the UK to bail them out . It's time English voters put our interests first.

Its very kind of politicians to promise further devolved powers if the vote is no but when the next election is held, next year they can easily water down promises, and change the promises they have made, especially if the government changes too. I simply don't trust politicians and their promises

Incidentally I have a postal vote and it was posted back 2 hours after I received it so all the arguments won't change my mind

https://www.mysociety.org/2014/09/10/parliament-without-scottish-mps-how-would-it-have-looked-different-since-1997/