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It's not just women who are abused.

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vampirequeen Mon 24-Nov-14 16:05:16

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2846299/Bullying-husbands-shout-wives-guilty-domestic-abuse-new-crackdown.html

Before I start I'd like to tell you that I was a victim of emotional abuse so I know how horrible it is. I say was a victim because now I class myself as a survivor.

This report says that emotional abuse is going to be classed as domestic abuse. Not a moment too soon.

However, the headline and report talk about men abusing women as if it never happens the other way round. Abuse is abuse whether it is male/female, female/male or same gender. My uncle has been physically, emotionally and financially abused by his wife for over 50 years. He never admitted it until two years ago because he was too ashamed. It doesn't help men like him when the media and potential lawmakers only talk about male/female violence. It's time they woke up to what's happening to some men.

Nelliemoser Sun 30-Nov-14 23:09:47

The term domestic "abuse" rather than domestic "violence" is a much more comprehensive description of the issues that can occur in an abusive relationship.
This seemed to start being used to make it clear that an "abusive relationship" did not ref to purely physical assaults and that it covers all sorts of situations such as very controlling behaviour or financial and emotional abuse.

This might help victims realise that these other patterns of abusive behaviour should be taken seriously as they can be equally damaging to victims.
This "Domestic Abuse" is very different in nature to random assaults in the street.
Maybe the term "relationship abuse" would be more helpful.

soontobe Mon 01-Dec-14 09:01:32

It is the domestic bit.
domestic appliances, domesticity.

When really it is lots of abuse
and often violence.
and fear which is in your own home.

soontobe Mon 01-Dec-14 09:06:52

He says he married her for better or worse til death they do part

Would he consider seperating from her?
I dont know if he is religious or not, or a christian.
But the bible says that if there is not peace in the house, then seperation is acceptable. This is not divorce. He would still be married to her.

vampirequeen Mon 01-Dec-14 09:14:38

He can't bring himself to leave her. I think it's gone on for such a long time that he can't see any other way of life.

Nonnie Mon 01-Dec-14 09:40:56

Although I agree that men are physically stronger than women it is not always the case that they are emotionally stronger. Most men would not hit a woman who was hitting them because they just simply don't hit women. Men may defend themselves but, as someone else has already mentioned, they are scared they will be accused of abuse if they do and I know that happens. A woman can claim anything she likes and be believed but it does not work the other way round.

Abuse often starts off very subtly with the woman criticising the man so much he feels inadequate and will try anything to please her. From then on she has power over him which no one else understands. He has no hope until he gets out of the relationship but many don't because they don't realise how damaged they are. Yes, men do this to women but the women are believed.

Soutra Mon 01-Dec-14 09:47:50

Domesticsimply means "within the home" (Latin: domus = home). Far from trivialising such assaults, to talk of "domestic abuse/assault/violence" makes it worse because the home should be a place of safety. Nothing "cosy" in the word domestic it is simply descriptive.

soontobe Mon 01-Dec-14 09:51:48

I know it makes it worse.

My home is cosy. I suspect your domestic arrangements are cosy too. As are probably the majority of the posters on gransnet.

My opinion. Others dont have to agree.

Soutra Mon 01-Dec-14 10:09:25

Non sequitur?confused

Iam64 Mon 01-Dec-14 10:28:52

soontobe - those of us who have direct or professional experience (and in some cases both) of domestic abuse understand what the legal definition of the term is. It ain't cozy as I suspect you know very well.

petallus Mon 01-Dec-14 10:32:30

I took the post to mean that, whatever the official dictionary definition and origin of the word 'domestic', to most of us it conjures up ideas and feelings of cosy, unthreatening safety.

However, for me adding the word 'violence' changes that completely. Instead of cosiness and safety, the feeling is of fear, unpredictability and danger.

Iam64 Mon 01-Dec-14 10:33:26

Exactly petallus, not cozy, but terrifying.

Soutra Mon 01-Dec-14 10:43:21

Oh what a nuanced language English can be! I do try to be guided by the actual meaning of a word but have to recognise that is not always the case. I remember one Adult Ed student who was practically in tears because he had no idea of the "definite" and "indefinite" article and could not get his head round the German equivalents of "a" and "the". "But a hotel is a very definite article or thing to me," he kept protesting.confused

petallus Mon 01-Dec-14 11:49:02

Soutra are you trying to blind with science smile

Yes, grammar and all of that.

I am wondering about the emotional value people attach to words, which can change over time.

soontobe Mon 01-Dec-14 14:10:14

The actual meanings of words change. Or additional meanings get added on to a word.
Dictionaries can lag behind the spoken word.
I think they do a great job[I know of a dictionary writer], but they cant help but be behind the times.

soontobe Mon 01-Dec-14 14:12:24

And different words can mean different things in different parts of the country
[already discovered this on gransnet. I havent yet come across a poster who lives in the same area of me]

absent Mon 01-Dec-14 18:57:06

I am led to believe that the police, or some of them, have received extra training about domestic abuse but there is a legacy of the tired old attitude – "It's just a domestic". I would also argue that women are not automatically believed when they claim that there has been violence towards them if there are no visible bruises and cuts. It must be very difficult for both men and women to prove emotional abuse – not much, if anything, in the way of tangible evidence.

vampirequeen Mon 01-Dec-14 19:36:24

Emotional abuse is very difficult to prove as it tends to happen when there are no witnesses around and leaves no physical marks.

My ex slipped up towards the end but only rarely and not enough to stop people thinking that he was a lovely, friendly fella.