What would you like to see cut?

If I was a Labour voter I would feel betrayed.
I would presumably have gone around saying "you are racist" if someone mentioned immigration.
And now presumably they dont say it.

Well, soontobe, you obviously haven't read the relevant bit in the link I gave you, very much like most of the newspaper columnists.
This is it.

"There are electors for whom immigration is already a very high salience issue, who already plan to vote Ukip. For these electors, the issue needs to be addressed: there is no longer a risk of making it worse with that group. As always, it is preferable to first of all establish a relationship with such voters before discussing policy in detail. However this may not always be possible or desirable. Our advice is therefore that we should:

(a) listen carefully to electors' concerns on immigration on the doorstep and engage with their views before moving the conversation on to how Labour would tackle the issues they have raised (whether they be housing, education, the NHS, etc.). We should acknowledge electors’ concerns and contextualise the problem as something that Labour has a clear plan to improve."

He says that they should engage with the elector's concerns on immigration and engage with their views, before then talking about other issues with them. If the voter is going to vote Ukip, it cannot be made worse by discussing Labour party policy with them.
Nowhere does it say do not discuss immigration with them.

Thanks for setting it out durhamjen.

I think I did read that. But I dont see at all how that answers my post. Iam64 seems to get it, but I dont.

I really did not want to answer that, soontobe. You imply that Labour canvassers think people are racist if immigration is mentioned. That is so wrong.
You also imply that they have been told not to mention immigration which is also wrong. What they have been told to do is to talk to people about immigration when they know what the problems of immigration are in the particular constituency. Some constituencies have particular worries about immigration in their area, and it's no good giving a one size fits all response.

If this isn't what you meant to imply, please put me right.

I am not talking about now. I am talking about say 2 years ago.
From Labour voters in particular [and I am talking voters, not the party], they would try and stop immigration talk by shouting "racist" at others on the internet and in rl who wanted to have an open discussion about immigration.
They did that partly because that was the Labour party line and thought - if a non labour voter talks about immigration, they are automatically a racist for even talking about it.
Now, and it seems to me to be all of a sudden, the labour party do not think that non labour voters talking about immigration, are racist anymore.

So how can non labour voters have been racist 2 years ago, talking about immigration.
Yet the exact same non labour voters are not now, if they talk about it.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps a member of the Labour party would know. This sounds like fantasy from the Sun or the Daily Mail.
Therefore I cannot answer you. I thought you were talking about the new Labour party guidelines, not fantasy.

If you haven't seen these new Labour guidelines, soontobe, here's an article from yet another right-wing newspaper giving its take on them

incoherent shambles

I don't see why we are all supposed to swallow the left's view on everything!

Interesting how the architects of right-wing chaos are falling over themselves to rubbish the Labour Party's attempts to re-establish their credibility. Here in the UK, after the utter catastrophe thrust upon us all by the greed of the international financiers and bankers, our government have used the situation to protect their own interests and impose savage austerity measures on the weakest members of our society. So cut - yes, I'd cut the strong links between big-business and politics and re-establish strong, sound public ownership.

At least you acknowledge that the Labour party does have to re-establish its credibility, papaoscar - many on here don't!

www.weownit.org.uk

Do you know about this, papaoscar?

I really did not want to answer that, soontobe

You imply that Labour canvassers think people are racist if immigration is mentioned. That is so wrong

But it didnt used to be wrong. And now, oddly it isnt.
In reality it is because there are now so many people who will openly say that they want controlled immigration.
So what used to be wrong, is now right.
I dont like that.
The people were either right before or they werent. And to be name called as well was not on.

The article is spot on Ana.
I dont read newspapers in print, and only sometimes online.

Sorry, soontobe, that does not make sense either.
Please can you tell me where and when the Labour party were racist.
Otherwise it's just rightwing bias and tittletattle.
Immigration and racism are not the same thing.

Did you miss this paragraph from the link that Ana gave, soontobe?
By the way, Ana doesn't read links, but she does put them on occasionally.

"Ukip, to be fair, have a coherent position on all this. It is motivated by racism and prejudice and would be a total catastrophe for the UK economy and Britain as a whole. But they want to withdraw from the EU, close the borders, and kick a lot of existing migrants out."

I did not say at all that the Labour party were racist.

I dont know you well enough, but I think your answer of "I really did not answer that soontobe" is your real answer.

I do know you well enough to know that you try and use deflection, durhamjen!

Who's deflecting now?
What about the Ukip quote?

I read some links, durhamjen - those spoof IDS Twitter ones you put up were hilarious!

Never knew you had such a sense of humour.

Actually Cameron tweeted on it as well, for real. He never realised it was a spoof. IDS has not complained about it, so he probably agrees with it.

r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEViV1v5BUvOYAORoPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByZHI5MXByBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNgRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=2/RE=1418801142/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fmetro.co.uk%2f2013%2f07%2f15%2fman-behind-spoof-ids-twitter-account-admits-he-was-surprised-to-have-tricked-david-cameron-3883527%2f/RK=0/RS=OMNpvYHBcfLapF0_wgjy0ptz6Yc-

Oh do lighten up, durhamjen! No one really cares who thought what about those spoof tweets except you.

So why did you mention it?

I was lightening up. I thought it very funny that Cameron fell for it. Obviously you do not like anything said against Cameron.

I thought it was very funny that you fell for it! But then, you would, wouldn't you?

I remember that thread .

It was put up to have a go at the terrible Ian Duncan Smith, the Tory git. but it backfired spectacularly didn't it because most posters saw straight through it,.

Goes to show you should be careful what links you put up for others to view, you might end up with egg on your face.