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Breaking News - Allegedly 10 people killed at office of satirical magazine in Paris

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TerriBull Wed 07-Jan-15 11:50:23

Whilst we don't have all the facts, I have read that at least ten people have been killed at the offices of a satirical French magazine in Paris where gunmen have opened fire.

Given the troubled times we are living in should publications try to rein in the content of anything that might be deemed controversial to certain groups because scenarios like this one will make it hardly worth the loss of life/ves, or should free speech prevail at all costs?

Penstemmon Fri 09-Jan-15 12:06:01

jingle thanks for your dismissive opinion on my post re holocaust. I was trying to point out that reasonably recently huge numbers of people were slaughtered for an ideology and that this current power crazy terrorism, which Naziism surely was, is similar.

papaoscar Fri 09-Jan-15 12:11:06

Evil is evil, no matter with what rags of pseudo-justification it seeks to drape itself. Our thoughts are with the dead and injured and their friends and families, and in the hope of an early end to this horror.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 09-Jan-15 12:25:28

Right Penstemonn. It just didn't seem very relevant. Perhaps it was my ageing brain. Sorry.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 09-Jan-15 12:26:11

Agree with that papaoscar.

Penstemmon Fri 09-Jan-15 12:40:09

No worries jingle We all mis-read /mis-understand/don't make ourselves clear someties!!

merlotgran Fri 09-Jan-15 12:53:39

Now there has been a shooting at a kosher supermarket in Paris. Is there no end to this?

KatyK Fri 09-Jan-15 12:59:29

I just saw that. They are under attack sad

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 09-Jan-15 13:13:06

OMG! angry sad

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 09-Jan-15 13:15:48

And all for the egos of a few jumped up journalists! angry

No - I know I shouldn't speak ill of the dead, but, really? Was it worth this? hmm

Elegran Fri 09-Jan-15 13:16:02

Anyone who does not subscribe to their dogma is fair game, it seems. THAT is why we must fight for the freedom to disagree - even to the point of offending those fundamentalists who have no tolerance.

" First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

soontobe Fri 09-Jan-15 13:18:30

sad sad
The fanatical terrorists dont seem to be stopping.

soontobe Fri 09-Jan-15 13:21:23

Satirising terrorists incites them. Not stops them.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 09-Jan-15 13:23:04

This must be tit for tat.

Is this freedom to mock really of more worth than another man's freedom to live?

soontobe Fri 09-Jan-15 13:25:11

Elegran. The cartoons were hatred, not merely offensive.

Why poke a bear?

soontobe Fri 09-Jan-15 13:27:39

Actually using a bear anology is not the best one.

A bee stings. I really dont see the point in stirring up a bee.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 09-Jan-15 13:30:44

What is, happening in our beautiful cities? sad

merlotgran Fri 09-Jan-15 13:31:08

I was going to post earlier then changed my mind that it's like a boy who pokes an enraged lion in a cage with a stick. He knows that he only has the bars of the cage to protect him and if the lion breaks through he will die. Maybe others will be hurt or killed but he keeps on doing it because until now nobody has told him to stop.

Agus Fri 09-Jan-15 13:44:00

People with the mentality of a terrorist with no fear of dying will look for any excuse to,take offence. Stop satire and they will latch on to something else which they deem offensive.

Do we then end up tip toeing around their perceived sensitivities in the deep hope that we have not offended them and assure ourselves this is all it would take for them to stop slaughtering people?

Soutra Fri 09-Jan-15 13:44:49

satirising terrorisrs only incites them. Doesn't stop them

What stops them? Not appeals to reason, perhaps only all out warfare and how many more lives would be lost. Don't think you can appeal to their better nsture! All actions to date show they don't have one. Remember the school in Pakistan? I rest my case.

merlotgran Fri 09-Jan-15 13:48:48

The French police are now saying the man holding five hostages in the Jewish supermarket is the same man who shot the policewoman yesterday.

Hopefully there are only these three men involved in these awful situations and not others popping up.

Soutra Fri 09-Jan-15 13:53:36

BTW I meant to say "hear, hear "* Agus* couldn't agree more!

Agus Fri 09-Jan-15 13:54:02

Have they now moved on from being offended by satire to being offended by people of the Jewish faith? Exactly my point.

soontobe Fri 09-Jan-15 13:54:55

Soutra and Agus. No, people cannot stop them.

merlotgran Fri 09-Jan-15 13:55:25

Two people have been killed inside the supermarket sad

Mishap Fri 09-Jan-15 13:58:07

What stops them*soutra*? - well we have not got an answer to that yet, but deliberate provocation in the form of cartoons that insult ALL people in that community, moderate and extremist, does not seem to be doing the trick. Indeed it would appear to have quite the opposite effect.

Journalists, governments and indeed all of us, need to take the long broad view and look at strategies that might make a positive difference and I think this involves mobilising the moderate community not seeking to antagonise them.

Journalists do become arrogant - I have personal experience of this - and take actions which they see as clever. But clever may not be wise and they need to stand back as a community and think how best they might serve the long term peace of the world.