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Breaking News - Allegedly 10 people killed at office of satirical magazine in Paris

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TerriBull Wed 07-Jan-15 11:50:23

Whilst we don't have all the facts, I have read that at least ten people have been killed at the offices of a satirical French magazine in Paris where gunmen have opened fire.

Given the troubled times we are living in should publications try to rein in the content of anything that might be deemed controversial to certain groups because scenarios like this one will make it hardly worth the loss of life/ves, or should free speech prevail at all costs?

AlieOxon Mon 12-Jan-15 15:27:39

So that's where it comes from! I have no idea where I picked it up, but it resonated with me.
I don't go completely with the idea of free speech ...it should be tempered with respect - and does not deserve a death sentence!!!

Which leaves one able to deal with those who want to stop us having free speech altogether......

Riverwalk Mon 12-Jan-15 15:31:54

Why does it resonate with you Alie, what does it mean?

soontobe Mon 12-Jan-15 15:36:52

The law varies country to country.
So what you think would depend on which country you are standing in?

AlieOxon Mon 12-Jan-15 15:49:36

Riverwalk - "Do what you want, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone."

Riverwalk Mon 12-Jan-15 16:09:38

Alie you didn't say why it resonates with you.

Ariadne Mon 12-Jan-15 16:15:19

It is Wicca's creed, I think.

Riverwalk Mon 12-Jan-15 16:20:40

I'm hurt and offended that the 'Today' programme, which is broadcast six days a week on mainstream Radio 4, doesn't allow non-believers to contribute to Thought For The Day.

Does that mean I should be allowed to threaten, harass or assassinate John Humphrys, because I'm sincerely offended and insulted, day in, day out?

The BBC is in our face; it's the nation's broadcaster - those pesky cartoons had to be sought.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 12-Jan-15 16:27:17

You could be overthinking this now Riverwalk.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 12-Jan-15 16:31:07

No one is saying the terrorists were allowed to assassinate the victims. Of course they weren't "allowed" to.

You leave John alone. You're welcome to the screechy voiced women.

Riverwalk Mon 12-Jan-15 16:35:24

Good riddance to Sue MAC Gregor, that's all I have to say!

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 12-Jan-15 16:40:12

Oh, I quite liked her! smile

POGS Mon 12-Jan-15 16:42:34

As I said before.

In the last day or so in Nigeria little children have been made to wear explosive jackets , stand in a crowd, kill numerous numbers of by standers and then they were blown up by evil b-----s who have the same barbaric mind set as those in Paris.

There were no cartoons, no Charlie Hebdo. Whether or not anybody was upset by satire had bugger all to do with it.

Lee Rigby didn' t draw cartoons, nor the people in a cafe in Australia,, the Yazidi didn't either.

If satirical cartoons were never published again anywhere in the world the killings would not stop because they were merely an excuse used for the slaughter of those who oppose the Islamic Extremists belief. This week in Paris satire was used as an excuse by those prepared to kill for their belief, it will be something else tomorrow, they don't care.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 12-Jan-15 16:51:32

But - it's this particular case we are discussing. Where did anyone suggest that stopping satirists publishing their work would stop terrorism worldwide? confused

petallus Mon 12-Jan-15 16:57:16

If all killings done by Muslims stopped tomorrow, there would still be plenty carried out by others.

We have torture, invasion of countries, children being slaughtered and abused in their thousands, cruelty, ethnic cleansing, merciless bombing of civilians, domestic violence, rape. The list seems to be endless.

Our minds are on the awful events in Paris at the moment but do we really think extremist Muslims are a greater threat than any other?

soontobe Mon 12-Jan-15 17:04:59

Our minds are on the awful events in Paris at the moment but do we really think extremist Muslims are a greater threat than any other?

Good point.
But I suppose it is their randomness that is a big concern.
Some atrocities are only in a certain geographical place, even domestic violence.
Whereas muslim extremeism is popping up in many countries.
It must be a nightmare for the security forces.

KatyK Mon 12-Jan-15 17:07:59

I've just read that a Police Commissioner in Paris has shot himself after speaking to the relatives of the victims in the latest atrocity. Another victim then sad

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 12-Jan-15 17:10:49

OMG.

Gracesgran Mon 12-Jan-15 17:15:22

It's an interesting point about "doing no harm" but which is the greater harm, offending someone by challenging their religion or allowing them to continue in the misunderstanding that the "laws" of that religion should over-ride the laws of the country they have chosen to live in.

nigglynellie Mon 12-Jan-15 17:17:25

I agree with you Riverwalk. I think that Thought for the day should be open to anyone of any faith or of no faith at all to contribute to. Perhaps someone ought to point this out to the BBC.
There are so many horrors in the world,if only there was something we could do. Nigeria is just dreadful, those poor Yazidi people, and so many more. How can people be so terrible to do such dreadful things, but then I guess people have been saying that down the ages.

nigglynellie Mon 12-Jan-15 17:22:05

Oh my goodness, another tragedy. RIP to this poor man.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 12-Jan-15 17:22:33

Are we sure this right about Thought for the Day? confused

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 12-Jan-15 17:30:28

John Humphrys and Evan Davis would like there to be secular 'Thoughts FTD'. Apparently.

Riverwalk Mon 12-Jan-15 17:36:33

Yes, Jings, Thought For The Day, along with Prayer For The Day (fair enough) are faith-based.

Not very fair is it?

I'm offended.

Riverwalk Mon 12-Jan-15 17:38:12

niggly do you really think no-one has already pointed this out to the BBC?

nigglynellie Mon 12-Jan-15 17:51:38

Maybe, Maybe not! If so I wonder what the reply was?!! Prayer for the day would of course be religious based, but I would have thought that Thought for the day could include everyone religious or not, after all it would give a broader perspective and would no doubt be interesting and thought provoking. Bring it on!