Breaking News - Allegedly 10 people killed at office of satirical magazine in Paris

absent, in which case I shall have to go back to gransnet. They wanted to be kept informed if the problem continued.

I wonder if the pope will have to end up stop being pope [I dont know if the catholic church works that way].
I think that he has totally snookered himself with that comment.
Awful.

People who incite dont feel very loved.

Crumbs, I wasnt meaning the pope!

I think the cartoon is quite simply ridiculing all those who now proclaim 'je suis Charlie'. Haven't the cartoonists said as much? - that they find it laughable that everyone now wants to 'be their friend' when they have previously never even looked at the publication. I don't think they're about to change from being a satirical magazine that holds nothing sacred (rightly or wrongly depending on your point of view) and start to publish conciliatory cartoons. If anything they are now more defiant than ever.

Hate is a destructive force.

Have I missed something*soontobe*, you say GNHQ want to be kept informed if the problem continued
What problem?

I also hope the comment about Pope Francis having "snookered himself" (whatever you meant) was a joke?

I wonder if the pope will have to end up stop being pope [I dont know if the catholic church works that way].

soon do you really not know that the previous pope, Benedict, resigned just last year?

In all the uproar re Muslims did people notice that Indian writer perumal murugan has had to quit and go into hiding due to death threats after publication of his latest book. All copies have been pulled and destroyed. The objectors are right wing Hindu and caste groups. India has a long history of banning books usually for offending religious or community sentiments. No Charlie there.

What sorts of things did perumal murugan write?

No Charlie in Jedda either, where Raif Badhawi is due to receive his second whipping of 50 lashes today, as part of his 1000 lash and 10 years imprisonment sentence. His offence was to produce a blog.

So they were not inciting?

Oh no! Not another lot to start worrying about. Please!

for information only. Please

The Raif Badhawi thing is truly awful. Unforgiveable.

Saudi is an oppressive regime where brave people know the risks.
France is not and that is the difference. Terrorists cannot be allowed to decide on the parameters of free speech.

We're back to the beginning now aren't we? Perhaps we've done this thread to death.

Bringing it back to the OP.
However, there is a fine line between mockery and inciting hatred which is against the law (apparently).
It seems to apply to 3 year olds in nursery, 5 year olds in the playground, but not hate preachers.

It doesnt look like perumal muruagan was trying to incite.

Yes exactly rosequartz It would appear that it's fine to preach hatred in the streets but heaven forbid a 4 year old should refer to his friend as being "brown"

re gransnet
They said that it is fine for people to post where they want, and apologised to me for the misunderstanding they caused in a previous email.

As you were.

AAAAND _another_ superb article, this one by Allison Pearson. Feels good to be ideologically standing shoulder to shoulder with people who write so well and with so much understanding of the Real Problem. Hint: it's not free speech.

Sarah Khan is quoted in the article: "Sara Khan, director of Inspire, a counter-extremist Islamic forum, calls the Muslim “grievance narrative”. Despite living in European nations which afford them remarkable freedoms and benefits, Khan says many Muslims insist on seeing themselves as forever oppressed by the West. Permanently on the defensive, they lash out like angry children instead of wondering whether their attitudes could be part of the problem."

Whoops. Apologies fro misspelling your name, Sara.

Well obviously (soontobe 10.38.49 ) Did anybody think otherwise?

And can you clarify your comment about Pope Francis? If a joke, maybe in dubious taste.

I don't like Alison Parson. She is amongst the many female journalists that I started to follow on Twitter but soon gave up on.

Haven't read whole article but sounds like she is veering towards the hate-Muslims thing. Not good.

It was not a joke.

I have what I hope is quite a clean mind, so didnt know that what I wrote could be taken in that way.